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Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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When and how did you submit the PE3 Statutory Declaration to the TEC. And did you send a completed PE2 Out of Time application with it?

It seems that the OOT application was not submitted or perhaps it was incorrectly completed. Please post up the OOT application. Only redact your name and address.


Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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When and how did you submit the PE3 Statutory Declaration to the TEC. And did you send a completed PE2 Out of Time application with it?

It seems that the OOT application was not submitted or perhaps it was incorrectly completed. Please post up the OOT application. Only redact your name and address.

Hello Enceladus, I attach the Out of Time application that I signed and submitted (PE2 and PE3) via email on 9 April 2025



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Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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Well I don't know what to say. You seem to have done everything correctly. The TEC seemed to have made an error.

In particular your address as held by the DVLA was updated and processed before the date of contravention.

The SD and OOT are both attached to your email to the TEC and you have a receipt.

Have you got any confirmation from the council about where they sent the documentation, in particular the PCN?

I suppose you could write back and ask them to review their decision, how this is extra-procedural and would likely time-out your N244 application window. So I wouldn't recommend it.

Leaves us with an N244 application to have the Court Officer's decision at the TEC reviewed by a District Judge. This costs £123 for a hearing on the papers or £313 for a hearing in person. And you will not get the fees refunded, except as a matter of goodwill from the Council. And that seems to have only happened once.

I'm confident that you would succeed with a hearing in person. A hearing on the papers is risky. It needs to be very well written to succeed.

If you succeed with the review, then your SD would be accepted and the Order for Recovery would be revoked and the Charge Cert cancelled. The Council would have to serve the PCN again and you would have the option to pay at the discount or to challenge and ultimately appeal to the Adjudicator. I suggest that would likely loose at adjudication so you would end up paying a further £130.

How much have you already paid against this PCN, £280? This would be refunded when your SD is accepted?
« Last Edit: July 08, 2025, 05:36:11 pm by Enceladus »

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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OP, this is a long thread. At present the issue is the PCN which you've paid at the 'compliance stage' i.e. £75 added to the debt.

As I understand it, your out of time application was opposed by the council (and ultimately refused by TEC) and your posts have so many unspecified references to [My Address] that my head is spinning.

There are 2 addresses, A and B. You moved from A to B and notified DVLA in a timely fashion, however, it was not changed on their record immediately but you received a new V5C with address B prior to the date of contravention. Yes?

The address to which the council's notices were sent(PCN, CC, OfR) was.....A or B, I still don't know. One of your posts speculated regarding what if the council had used address B - with all sorts of ideas about why the Royal Mail might have failed to deliver them - which in itself implies that the authority used address B.

IMO, if they used address B then the authority's challenge and TEC's decision were sound. But if they used address A then you should challenge their decision which is irrational.

Which address was used by the authority, A or B?
« Last Edit: July 08, 2025, 05:01:01 pm by H C Andersen »

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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08 july 2025 I received a rejection based on 'no explanation why it was served late'. It appears the only options if I want to chase it further is to take it to court. I attach a photos in case it helps someone in the future ;)

Until around 2 weeks ago, when an OOT application had been rejected, the letter from the Traffic Enforcement Centre had merely stated that no reason for the rejection was being provided and that no reason was kept on court file.

There has been a new policy of now providing a brief one line sentence...and sadly, from enquiries that I have seen, it appears to be plagued with problems which I will address tomorrow in more detail. I am aware of complaints being made to TEC regarding this new procedure.

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Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #65 on: »
Well I don't know what to say. You seem to have done everything correctly. The TEC seemed to have made an error.

In particular your address as held by the DVLA was updated and processed before the date of contravention.

The SD and OOT are both attached to your email to the TEC and you have a receipt.

Have you got any confirmation from the council about where they sent the documentation, in particular the PCN?

I suppose you could write back and ask them to review their decision, how this is extra-procedural and would likely time-out your N244 application window. So I wouldn't recommend it.

Leaves us with an N244 application to have the Court Officer's decision at the TEC reviewed by a District Judge. This costs £123 for a hearing on the papers or £313 for a hearing in person. And you will not get the fees refunded, except as a matter of goodwill from the Council. And that seems to have only happened once.

I'm confident that you would succeed with a hearing in person. A hearing on the papers is risky. It needs to be very well written to succeed.

If you succeed with the review, then your SD would be accepted and the Order for Recovery would be revoked and the Charge Cert cancelled. The Council would have to serve the PCN again and you would have the option to pay at the discount or to challenge and ultimately appeal to the Adjudicator. I suggest that would likely loose at adjudication so you would end up paying a further £130.

How much have you already paid against this PCN, £205? This would be refunded when your SD is accepted?

No confirmation about where they sent the PCN. The only confirmation we have had is that they issued my PCNs to correct address based on their 'opposition letter' from the Haringey council which can be seen in previous posts.. but it never arrived.

I would like to respond and say that I would be keen on attending court hearing to see what could happen next, however I will be unable to due to my travel plans abroad for the next several months.

However, what I really would like to see is not for my decision to be overturned at this point, but to prevent errors like this one from happening again. I am not sure what would need to change, and where the starting point would be. However, I would like to see change for fairer approach to how PCNs are delivered to recipient.

I am signing out as I am quite busy with stuff at the moment so won't be responding (thread can be closed if needed), cheers :)

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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I had difficult posting a response here, but I DM'd you on reddit anyway in case.

Having revisited your Reddit post and reviewed the complete set of documents relating to PCN ZN14202158, it is evident that a procedural failure has occurred within the Traffic Enforcement Centre’s administrative process. Your statutory declaration (Form PE3), sworn on 9 April 2025 and accompanied by a Form PE2 application for extension of time, did in fact contain a clear explanation as to why it had been submitted out of time. Specifically, you stated that you had not received any prior statutory documents in relation to the penalty charge, that the address on the vehicle’s V5C logbook had been properly updated, and that you only became aware of the penalty upon receipt of enforcement correspondence from CDER Group. These facts, had they been properly considered, satisfy the requirement under rule 75.5(1)(a) of the Civil Procedure Rules, which permits the filing of a statutory declaration where a respondent asserts that they did not receive the notice to owner or enforcement notice. Moreover, Practice Direction 75.5A requires the court officer to consider whether sufficient reason has been provided for delay, and it is plain on the face of your application that such reasons were offered.

The Court Officer Order dated 5 July 2025, rejecting your application on grounds that "no explanation why the statutory declaration served late" had been given, is manifestly inaccurate and procedurally unsound. It appears that the decision was made without properly reading the contents of your PE2. That error alone calls into question the validity of the decision. In R (Mohamed) v Secretary of State for the Home Department [2001] 1 WLR 840, the Court of Appeal affirmed that any decision-maker must conscientiously address the substance of a representation, and failure to do so constitutes a denial of procedural fairness. The reasoning in that case, while public law in nature, is applicable by analogy to quasi-judicial administrative decisions of the kind rendered by court officers under CPR 75.

Your rights from this point are governed by Rule 75.5(5), which permits an application to the court for review by a District Judge. Such an application must be made within 14 days, plus 3 days for deemed service under CPR 6.26. The correct form is an N244 Application Notice, which must identify that you seek a review of the court officer’s order and explain the grounds, namely that the stated reason for rejection is incorrect, as your PE2 did in fact set out a valid and truthful explanation for delay. The applicable fee for a paper review is £123 or, where a hearing is requested, £275. This may be paid by cheque to HMCTS or online if authorised in advance. You may also apply for fee remission if you meet the criteria set out in Form EX160A.

Alternatively, if you are unable or unwilling to file an N244 due to cost or logistical obstacles, you may consider lodging a formal complaint to the Civil Justice Policy Division of the Ministry of Justice. Such a complaint, while not a statutory remedy, may draw attention to the frequency of these errors and support broader reform. The documentary evidence you have preserved demonstrates conclusively that the court officer’s reason for refusal was factually and procedurally unfounded. In Anufrijeva v Southwark LBC [2003] EWCA Civ 1406, Lord Woolf underscored the principle that public authorities must not act in ways that mislead or frustrate the legitimate expectations of those affected. That principle, while rooted in administrative law, may be cited to support your position when arguing for institutional accountability.

Finally, there remains the question of redress for the payment already made. Since the penalty has been enforced and paid under the mistaken rejection, and assuming you do not pursue the N244 route, your only remaining recourse would be a discretionary refund request addressed to the London Borough of Haringey. This would be unlikely to succeed unless accompanied by an acknowledgment from the TEC or MoJ that your application was mishandled. Nevertheless, such a representation may carry persuasive weight if appropriately framed and factually substantiated.

In conclusion, your case is a clear instance of administrative error by the TEC. You acted promptly, submitted the correct forms with a truthful and complete explanation, and were refused on grounds that do not reflect the content of your application. You have a strong foundation to apply for review by a District Judge under CPR 75.5(5), or, if you choose not to do so, to make a formal complaint in order to ensure the error is acknowledged and not repeated in similar cases. I remain available to assist with the preparation of either route, as required. - Jason, Dealing with Bailiffs. Contact me on Reddit.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2025, 12:13:50 pm by abc »

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #67 on: »
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The OP hasn't confirmed to what address the authority's notices were sent i.e. A or B.

IMO, if A then DVLA provided the wrong address to the authority for the contravention date given that the OP states that they received a V5C with address B prior to the date of contravention. As we don't know the detail of the authority's objection, then in this scenario the blame lies with DVLA.

If the notices were addressed to B, then the authority were correct in objecting and TEC were acting properly in rejecting. Perhaps all 3 statutory notices went astray, but TEC couldn't be faulted for rejecting the OP's application.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2025, 04:05:37 pm by H C Andersen »

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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Hi.
The section "give full reasons" in the PE3 is blank. it shouldn't be.
I double checked, triple checked this, and although is all highly confusing, that section should have been completed in case of option 1.