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Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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Update, I woke up this morning to check the status of my PCNs and I see that one of them has disappeared from the list on council website (https://haringey.tarantoportal.com/PCNs/). Could it be because I submitted PE3 form? Only ZN14202158 and ZN1484088A is shown.  ZN14587347 is gone, do I expect a new PCN (for £65) ? , what If I don't receive this one as well (I hope at least it will be visible online so I will have the number of new PCN if there will be one)

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #46 on: »
Update, I woke up this morning to check the status of my PCNs and I see that one of them has disappeared from the list on council website (https://haringey.tarantoportal.com/PCNs/). Could it be because I submitted PE3 form? Only ZN14202158 and ZN1484088A is shown.  ZN14587347 is gone, do I expect a new PCN (for £65) ? , what If I don't receive this one as well (I hope at least it will be visible online so I will have the number of new PCN if there will be one)

ZN14587347 is still live. Just not linked to the other two. From the log it seems the TEC accepted your PE3 Statutory Declaration and revoked the Order for Recovery and cancelled the Charge Cert. Haringey have today issued a replacement postal PCN. It should be sent to the address you put on the PE3 SD form. This PCN currently sits at £65, ie the discount rate.

The PCN should reach you by this Thursday the 8th May. Post back immediately you get the PCN.

You should also be receiving a copy of the TEC decision shortly.

"06/05/2025 03:00   PCN Issued
02/05/2025 17:35   Off Hold
02/05/2025 17:35   Revoking Order Received, Box 1: No Notice to Owner Received
01/05/2025 16:49   On Hold :TEC - Workflow item (01/05/2026 )
01/05/2025 16:49   Off hold no compensate
29/04/2025 09:13   On Hold: TEC - Workflow item (29/04/2026)
17/04/2025 13:18   Notice of Debt Registration Issued
07/04/2025 13:40   Off Hold
03/02/2025 10:17   On Hold: DMC RULE - Awaiting outcome on registered PCN (03/02/2025)
23/12/2024 06:00   Charge Certificate Issued
12/11/2024 03:00   PCN Issued"
« Last Edit: May 06, 2025, 11:05:31 am by Enceladus »

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #47 on: »
Please clarify where you stand with with PCN ZN14202158?

AIUI the PCN escalated to bailiff enforcement.
You paid the bailiff to freeze the charges? How much did you pay and when exactly?
You subsequently submitted a Statutory Declaration with an Out of Time application? When exactly?

Have you heard anything about the OOT application from the Traffic Enforcement Centre at Northampton County Court and/or have you received a Statement of Truth document from the Council? If yes to either then please up what you received.

Thanks,

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #48 on: »
Please clarify where you stand with with PCN ZN14202158?

AIUI the PCN escalated to bailiff enforcement.
You paid the bailiff to freeze the charges? How much did you pay and when exactly?
You subsequently submitted a Statutory Declaration with an Out of Time application? When exactly?

Have you heard anything about the OOT application from the Traffic Enforcement Centre at Northampton County Court and/or have you received a Statement of Truth document from the Council? If yes to either then please up what you received.

Thanks,

Morning,

1st of April 2025 - NOE of enforcement received for ZN14202158
2nd of April 2025 - Payment sent to enforcement agency for a total of £280 (this is including £75 complaince fee) for ZN14202158
9th of April 2025 - Witnessed & Signed & Submitted PE2 (out of time) and PE3 for ZN14202158 to tec@justice.gov.uk. Received email response back that it has been acknowledged. Response included "*If you have submitted an out of time application, please note that it will take approx. 8 – 10 weeks for a decision to be made. You will be informed of the outcome in due course."
29th April 2025 - Received Haringey City Council opposal letter for my out of time application - ZN14202158

- Latest update on this is from 29th April 2025, the opposal letter from the Haringey council. Nothing else received via post or email as of today (07 May 2025).

// Update
I just called TEC (07 may 2025) to get an update on the status of my PCNs directly:
ZN14202158 - informed me it might take around 8 - 14 weeks from the date the submission was made to get a decision (slightly higher than what's in email)
ZN1484088A - No update on debt registration yet (I expect this to happen within a week or so, looking at my previous PCN debt registration dates)

// Slightly off topic
I have a neighbour that I share the entry door with for post, she is an old grandma. I noticed that some letters addressed to my address have disappeared, I didn't pick them up as they were not in my name. I did ask her if she had accidentally took the letters in my name, but she said all she does is to write 'RTS - Return to Sender' and put it in the post for everything but my name. I just hope she doesn't have some sort of memory problems and mistakenly returned some of my letters... But I think that's unlikely given that Haringey opposal letter stated they haven't received any letters back.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2025, 10:59:02 am by czgm1h »

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #49 on: »
Update

08 May 2025:
- [ZN14587347] Received my first PCN from Haringey City Council.

The address on the letter does not have the range (xxx-xxx) of addresses I mentioned in my earlier post, I believe this is because this was taken from my PE3 form, and not DVLA.

Date of notice of this PCN letter is: 06/05/2025

I will proceed to pay this £65 later today.

NOTE: when I talk about range of addresses, this is what I mean:

DVLA address would look like: 123A (120-126) <Road Name>, London, <Post Code>
PCN address : 123A <Road Name>, London, <Post Code>
« Last Edit: May 08, 2025, 11:08:03 am by czgm1h »

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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Update

20 May 2025: Sent an email with signed & witnessed PE3 form for the final PCN when I noticed it was registered with TEC, this is for ZN1484088A.

31 May 2025: (Today) I received a letter from the county court regarding my latest PCN.

Is there anything I need to do with this letter? I have not received the same letter for ZN14587347 when sending the same PE3 form.

I would think this is safe to ignore and just wait for the price to drop from £205 to £65 and then pay

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Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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Read the letter and see to whom it is addressed...The Applicant i.e. the council. They are notified that TEC have revoked the Order for Recovery and directed that the council cancel the CC.

Your is a copy for information only, no action is required by you.


Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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Re: PCN ZN14202158. Please confirm you have had no decision notice from the TEC?
and
While we are waiting, please lets have a look at the letter from the Council opposing your Out of Time application and Statutory Declaration.

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29th April 2025 - Received Haringey City Council opposal letter for my out of time application - ZN14202158

- Latest update on this is from 29th April 2025, the opposal letter from the Haringey council. Nothing else received via post or email as of today (07 May 2025).
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Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #53 on: »
Hello All,

Today (06 June 2025) I paid final PCN - ZN1484088A for £65 as I noticed the system just updated the amount today.

This marks all PCNs paid for :D . Thanks for all the help received

I am still waiting for decision for my PE2, I will update here once I receive anything back

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #54 on: »
Re: PCN ZN14202158

While we are waiting, please lets have a look at the letter from the Council opposing your Out of Time application and Statutory Declaration.

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #55 on: »
Hello Enceladus, the opposing letter has been posted here earlier

Post #31

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #56 on: »
Hello Enceladus, the opposing letter has been posted here earlier

Post #31
Yes thanks, I see it now.

Are you still waiting for the TEC decision on the Statutory Declaration and Out of Time application for PCN ZN14202158? This being the PCN that you paid the bailiff £280 to freeze the charges.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2025, 06:58:21 pm by Enceladus »
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Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
« Reply #57 on: »
Quote from: Enceladus
DMC RULE - Awaiting outcome on registered PCN (04/02/2025 [/quote

According to Google AI overeview:

DMC Rule" likely refers to a rule related to the Decriminalisation of Moving Traffic Offences

Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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When an Out of Time Application is submitted to TEC, it can take up to 4 working days for the application to be 'processed' by TEC and for them to notify the LA of the application. In that notification, the LA are instructed to contact their relevant bailiff provider to place all enforcement of that PCN 'on hold'. They are also told that if they wish to OPPOSE the application they must notify TEC within a period of '19 business days'.

If they are willing to ACCEPT the application, they don't need to do anything because; if the council fail to respond by the end of the 19th business date, then the application is automatically ACCEPTED.

If the LA REFUSE the application they 'should' provide a Statement of Truth outlining the reason why. Unfortunately, many councils fail to provide a Statement of Truth (a much longer post would be needed for details etc).
Most worrying, is that many councils use the very same wording as outlined in this thread and that has been the case for many years.

Most important is that if there is a refusal, the case is 'supposed' to be passed to a 'TEC Court Officer' for an impartial decision (to decide whether the refusal was fair.....once again, a much longer post would be needed etc).

When a Statement of Truth is provided, it is currently taking up to 3 weeks for TEC to drawn up the Order (notifying that the application has been refused).

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Re: Enforcement Letter without Correspondence
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just posting an update to my out of time declaration, which you can see my reasons in comment [#33] - https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/enforcement-letter-without-correspondence/msg69292/#msg69292.

I sent it on 9th April 2025 (email) and today - 08 july 2025 I received a rejection based on 'no explanation why it was served late'. It appears the only options if I want to chase it further is to take it to court. I attach a photos in case it helps someone in the future ;)





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