Author Topic: Enfield PCN 01: Double yellow line former junction is now a dead end from LTN  (Read 777 times)

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(Please note: GSV accepted my edit and searching on '85 Derwent Road, London' now goes to the correct location.)
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With the help of my AI friend how is this for an appeal?
If possible, would it be worth adding image evidence such as the traffic order map highlighting the actual 85 Derwent Road

Not my style - for the initial challenge I'd go for something much simpler, perhaps along the lines of:
Dear Enfield,
re PCN EF11590749 issued 17th July 2025.

This PCN alleges the vehicle was parked o/s 85 Derwent Road. As the your own photos clearly show it was not parked outside or near 85 Derwent Road.
You will be aware that a PCN must show the correct location. As it does not, I look forward to receiving your early cancellation.
Yours etc.


See what others say, but Enfield's expected rejection might be helpful.

I comment below on AI's draft, but generally it spoonfeeds the Council info, rather than making them work. (By the way at this stage it's a challenge, rather than an appeal.)



I am writing to appeal against the issuance of  challenge PCN EF11590749, issued on 17/07/25, for an alleged contravention on Derwent Road N13 os 85.

Upon reviewing the notice and the location details provided, I must raise concern regarding the accuracy of the location as stated in the PCN. The alleged contravention is reported to have occurred “outside 85 Derwent Road.” However, searching Google Maps for '85 Derwent Road, London' house number 85 is not situated on Derwent Road, but on Fox Lane, which intersects with Derwent Road. The house referenced (number 85) is positioned on the corner and has its official address on Fox Lane, not Derwent Road. Furthermore, number reveals 85 Derwent Road is located further down the street and was not in proximity to the location nowhere near where your own photos show the car to be.the alleged contravention took place. This discrepancy in the recorded location raises doubt about the correctness of the PCN, as the stated location does not match where the vehicle was parked.

As such, I respectfully request that this PCN be reviewed and cancelled on the grounds of incorrect or misleading location information, which affects the validity of the charge and fails to clearly identify the place of the alleged contravention.

Throw the ball into their court and see what they come back with.Also see what others here say. I see that the Council photos helpfully do not show the white house at 85 Fox Lane.


« Last Edit: July 21, 2025, 07:12:23 am by John U.K. »
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AI is not an adequate substitute for the real intelligence of a human. Why were you stopped there anyway?

All you need is:

I was not waiting at the location alleged on the pcn and accordingly the vehicle was not in contravention. Please cancel the PCN.
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

With respect Mr M, because unless the specifics and effect of 'o/s 85' are included then the council would be free to simply interpret 'at the location' as being on the yellow lines in the photo in Derwent Street. Which the car was.

We need them to respond to 'o/s 85' and IMO the issue and effect of 'o/s 85' must be included.

Ok, change location to 85 derwent rd.
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

I agree with HCA
let them assert location was O/S 85 Derwent.
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Thanks for your suggestions. I have gone for the simplified version and submitted a challenge. Now for time to take its course.
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Unfortunately, but as I expected, Enfield  NSL are not prepared to cancel the PCN. They plainly state the location as Derwent Road and no mention to the house number. It feels like a generic response to a 01 contravention challenge with no acknowledgement to my content. (Council response)

As I understand it, the next stage is a formal appeal to the council and if that fails it can move on to the tribunal.

As I am now out of the country on holiday and with only the location to challenge. I am leaning towards paying the reduced fine.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2025, 03:45:27 am by Al »

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I have gone for the simplified version and submitted a challenge.
Did you write O/S 85 Derwent Road or just plain Derwent Road in your challenge?

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I am leaning towards paying the reduced fine.[/i]

I sympathise with your quandary.

On the one hand, there is the wrong location and the fact that in rejecting there is a a 'failure to consider' the specific point you made about location.

On the other, an adjudicator might judtifiably consider, in light of the fact that the vehicle was parked on DYL in Derwent Road, that the foregoing points were de minimis and refuse your appeal.

The 'double or quits' gamble has become a lot more serious since the huge increase in London penalty charges. I do not know if Enfield is still a London Borough that routinely re-offers the discount if it rejects reps against the NtO.

At the moment, I'd be inclined to payment, but see what others say.


Let's see your actual submission pl.

We still don't know why you were there and for how long
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

I combined JohnUK and MrMustard for my challenge:
Reason for appeal: 'I was not at the location on the day'

This PCN alleges the vehicle was parked o/s 85 Derwent Road. As your own photos clearly show it was not parked outside or near 85 Derwent Road.
You will be aware that a PCN must show the correct location. I was not waiting at the location alleged on the PCN and accordingly the vehicle was not in contravention. As it does not, I look forward to receiving your early cancellation.

I also attached an image of the traffic order highlighting the location of 85 Derwent Road (and cropped out fox Lane 85)

The reasoning, I parked there over night. Im not justifying as i accept i am at fault, but It is often busy and other do it too, there were 2 on this occasion.  I have parked there many times, as it happened on this occasion I was running 10 minutes late saw the CEO drive off.

Once the NtK is sent the "discounted sum is not available "

Once the NtK is sent the "discounted sum is not available "

Is correct in law because the regulations mandate the 'discount' for a 14-day period at 50% of the penalty.

Thereafter, when authorities offer payment terms with unsuccessful reps these more often than not offer a sum identical to the discounted sum, but strictly speaking the 'discount' only arises with a PCN in its initial stages.

Just to close this, I decided to pay the discounted PCN. Thank you for all your help.