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Does this look okay? Is there any changes I should make, things I should add or take out?

Many thanks.

London Tribunal Appeal Draft — https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MsbPy85pH0yBYSVbj_dhSyJr3aUBH8Fh/view?usp=drivesdk

Change procedural impropriety to: I make this collateral challenge re the PCN because.

PI is not a ground.

Also it is missing an important/mandaory part of the legislation.

Para 4(8 ) (v)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

which in turn refers to 4(8 ) (iii)

(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;


(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;

For fuller explanation here:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg86653/#msg86653

A double whammy.

Would you like me to represent you?

Thanks for clarifying the information about procedural impropriety, I was a bit unsure about using that phrase as I know it is for parking offences under Traffic Management Act 2004, but wasn't sure if it was for moving traffic PCNs under the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003.

In terms of the parts you specify as missing, the PCN says "if you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240.00 may be payable." — Does this not cover (iii) and (v)?

Ahh so for payment, it is to be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice, where as this says, "if you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240.00 may be payable."

And for representations it is the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice.

**** that's not confusing at all 😂

Quick question, is it normal for Enfield Council to close the PCN on their own online portal before the tribunal happens? Also, is it normal for them to not have uploaded evidence after a month and a half? I ask because my ongoing TfL Tribunal, the PCN is still outstanding on the TfL site and TfL submitted evidence after like 21 days.

Hearing is on Thursday 8th January at 12:15. So, far the Enforcing Authority has not uploaded any evidence to the portal and nothing has been received via email or post from them.

Essentially, I am wanting the adjudicator to give detail in the case summary, so the grounds of appeal are on public record.

Now, I submitted a seperate appeal to the London Tribunal on 18th December that the EA decided to DNC on 24th December, and in that case summary it just says the EA has informed the Tribunal they will not contest and that the Chief Adjudicator has allowed it without considering the evidence.

If the EA in this one decides to not contest I don't want it just to say that, if I can help it. I want it to atleast acknowledge my grounds of appeal. Can I write to the adjudicator to request they do this?

Also, what happens in other situations, if the EA fail to submit evidence and contest the appeal, does the hearing go ahead? If they don't attend the hearing is that the same as a do not contest or will the adjudicator still have to consider my appeal and evidence? And if they submit evidence now, late, what happens? And in these scenarios does the adjudicator give a full written case summary?

As I said, I essentially want the issues with the EAs enforcement to be noted and on public record, whether that is the adjudicator's ruling or just a summary of my appeal grounds (I guess they can't really give a ruling on my appeal grounds if the EA has explicitly DNC, right?)

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm trying to prevent this happening again as the EA has set up a trap for large vehicles where they have no choice but to use a bus gate.


If they adduce no evidence by Wednesday, the Tribunal will call you the same day  and tell you not to attend as the game is over.  Personally, I would never choose a Thursday! And sit tight and do nothing.

This may interest you:

https://www.ftla.uk/news-press-articles/revealed-the-london-boroughs-that-cant-be-bothered-to-defend-thousands-of-parkin/msg104393/#msg104393
« Last Edit: January 05, 2026, 01:28:52 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

If they adduce no evidence by Wednesday, the Tribunal will call you the same day  and tell you not to attend as the game is over.  Personally, I would never choose a Thursday! And sit tight and do nothing.

This may interest you:

https://www.ftla.uk/news-press-articles/revealed-the-london-boroughs-that-cant-be-bothered-to-defend-thousands-of-parkin/msg104393/#msg104393

What's wrong with a Thursday? I didn't really choose the day, I just selected Monday to Friday

And yeah that was an interesting read. Some councils parking enforcement departments seem to take it very seriously in contrast. To the point where highlighting and evidencing an unlawful enforcement scheme is somehow a personal attack. I've had some good ones recently where Bexley Council believe they do not need to have signage for an overnight waiting ban zone for Heavy Goods Vehicles that covers the entire 60.5km borough, because.... they have told the registered keeper (the company I work for with over 900 drivers) previously that the restriction exists. They appear to believe this absolves them of their responsibility to signpost  ???

IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

PM sent.

Ahh I see, thanks! I will keep that in mind in future.

The council submitted a DNC to the Tribunal portal yesterday.

IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

I would ask them why.

Probably not worth the time. They have no obligation to give an actual answer to that, they can just say internal deliberations, or there's no recorded information held, or Legal Advice exemption or any crap like that.

Interestingly I have had no notification from London Tribunal even that the DNC was submitted. When do they plan to notify me that I don't need to attend the Tribunal video call hearing?  ???

I did send a request to the Tribunal on Monday requesting that they give a reasoned decision & case summary even if the council do decide to DNC. As it would be beneficial for our (company I work for) future compliance, and to prevent the same thing happening again by putting pressure on the council to fix the defects.

Whether they will do that or if they even do that at all, I have no idea but thought I'd ask them

I got the Tribunal decision this morning, unfortunately it just has the standard spiel about 'the EA informing the Tribunal that it will not contest the appeal and the adjudicator allows the appeal without considering the evidnece etc' - In hindsight perhaps if I hadn't requested a full written decision regardless of whether the EA decide to DNC, on Monday, then the EA wouldn't have been notified and wouldn't have uploaded the DNC on Tuesday. And the hearing would have taken place today and my evidence would have been looked at, I could have said my piece, and I would have got the reasoned written decision.

But, if as you say, the hearing would have been cancelled as the EA submitted no evidence anyway, would they still have considered my evidence and written a reasoned decision or would it be the same as a DNC?

Sorry for the questions, just like to better understand.

1. A DNC is exactly that, whether they adduce evidence or not.

2. No adduced evidence is an automatic win.

In view of the seriousness of their PCN issues, I would press them for an explanation.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Ahh so for payment, it is to be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice, where as this says, "if you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240.00 may be payable."

And for representations it is the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice.

**** that's not confusing at all 😂

8(v) is missing - the increased amount which refers to the date of the notice.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r