Author Topic: Enfield, code 26 Parked in a special enforcement area, opposite 32 The Green, hard-standing, N21, 1min unloading  (Read 3095 times)

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IMO this has nothing to do with parcels and everything to do with:

1)In a special enforcement area a vehicle must not be parked on the carriageway in such a way that no part of the vehicle is within 50 centimetres of the edge of the carriageway.

The car was not 'on the carriageway' therefore the contravention, which is based in statute and is absolutely clear, did not occur, irrespective of the contravention description used by London Tribunals and the Mayor of London. Enforcement authorities should know the statutory provision which underpins this description.

The contravention can only occur if a vehicle is on the carriageway, which the CEO's photos show it was not

The authority seems to have conflated and confused the London-wide prohibition of parking on the footway, which refers to ROAD, with the TMA prohibition which does not. In the alternative, they seem to consider the DYL, which have been misplaced on the footway, to represent the edge of the carriageway, unless it is believed that it is lawful to place more than 30 2-feet long and 2-inch high unmarked obstructions in the carriageway. Clearly not. These mark the edge of the carriageway and what lies beyond cannot be on the carriageway.

The alleged contravention did not occur and the PCN must be cancelled.

Ah, but it is carriageway, because the council have painted double yellow lines on it at the back of the area. These are clearly shown on the photos and also on GSV.

Carriageway is not defined by misplaced DYL!

How big or heavy was the parcel loading is defined based on  the need to use the vehicle

It was a small freezer (~0.5m3).

IMO this has nothing to do with parcels and everything to do with:

@H C Andersen Thank you, this is very interesting. I guess it comes down to whether the paved land is private or highway land (carriageway, footway, verge). Or is that irrelevant?

Below is a draft for the appeal. Would this be ok to send or should I add more detail?


I wish to challenge this PCN on the ground that the contravention did not occur.

The relevant prohibition applies only where a vehicle is parked on the carriageway. The CEO’s own photographs show that my vehicle was not on the carriageway, but on the paved hard-standing beyond the clear edge of the carriageway (defined by the raised setts / kerbstones).

It all comes down to whether the area with a completely different surface treatment from the rest of the carriageway and which is physically separated by raised kerbstones is, none the less, part of the surrounding carriageway. ;) 

for a half metre cubed parcel the loading exemption would come into play if its from amazon you can get a picture of it and the return label this would be good evidence of loading

Derek sent me a Kingston case a few days ago @ Kingston Road - similar size and I have all the 19 cases allowed.
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for a half metre cubed parcel the loading exemption would come into play if its from amazon you can get a picture of it and the return label this would be good evidence of loading

Ok, but should I add this to the appeal or would that just weaken the statutory-based argument?

Derek sent me a Kingston case a few days ago @ Kingston Road - similar size and I have all the 19 cases allowed.

@Hippocrates Sorry, I'm not sure what this means.

Should I challenge the PCN on the ground that the alleged contravention did not occur or that I was unloading?

Any advise would be much appreciate as I have to file the appeal before midnight.

Thanks!

@Hippocrates @H C Andersen @Pastmybest @Incandescent

Thank you all for your input. How about this hybrid approach?

I make representations against this PCN on the ground that the contravention did not occur.

The prohibition in law applies only where a vehicle is parked on the carriageway more than 50cm from its edge. The CEO’s photographs show that my vehicle was not on the carriageway but on the paved hard-standing beyond it, the edge of the carriageway being clearly defined by the raised setts/kerbstones. On that basis, the statutory conditions for this contravention were not met.

In the alternative, even if the authority were to assert that the paved area is part of the carriageway, the vehicle was stationary for less than two minutes solely for unloading purposes. Loading and unloading is a recognised statutory exemption, and the stop was both brief and necessary.

For these reasons, the contravention alleged did not occur and the PCN should be cancelled.

Basically, whether this paved area is carriageway or not carriageway will only be determined by looking at the Traffic Regulation Order that established the double-yellow lines painted at the back of the paved area.  This indicates the paved area is carriageway. Others on here say it's not, but paving doesn's make it off-carriageway,as there are plenty of streets all around the UK where paving is used instead of tarmac.

@Incandescent

Thank you, that makes sense. Would you say going with my last draft would be ok then to cover both arguments?

@Incandescent

Thank you, that makes sense. Would you say going with my last draft would be ok then to cover both arguments?
Basically, the council, in painting those double-yellow lines at the back of the paved area accept that it is carriageway, because you can't have DYLs anywhere else. So I would stick with the loading argument. You can provide, (hopefully) details of the bulk and weight of the item, and the fact that you had to park there to load as there were no other spaces available. If you say you were not on the carriageway, the council will say you were and point to the double-yellow lines and even provide the TRO. As the loading exemption allows parking beside other vehicles you have, in my view, a good appeal argument.

I'd include details of what you were loading to add credibility.