Author Topic: I drove my (little) van through Rotherhithe tunnel on consecutive days.Have I got grounds to appeal a double hit fine???  (Read 113 times)

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Hello, new user here!
I drove my (little Nissan e-nv200)) van through Rotherhithe tunnel on consecutive days without realising I wasn't allowed to.

After receiving the PCN through the post I checked on Google Maps and saw that there are signs that say no entry to vehicles over 2 tonnes, I just didn't notice them. A day or 2 later I then received a 2nd PCN through for the 2nd time I had passed through the tunnel.

I hate the punative aspect of these fines, especially now they seem to have gone up to £160, and £80 if you pay within 14 days. Crazy amounts when we are all increasingly broke.
However bearing in mind the signage is there I grudgingly accept I should be more observant and that I should have to pay something. However it seems just too harsh for me to have to pay both fines!
I appealed on this basis, and TransportForLondon have just replied, rejecting this appeal.

So I invite any replies/advice but my question is generally, is there any merit to this line of appeal, that I didn't realise the 1st time and that is painful, but to be also punished for the same offence the day after is just too harsh?

The argument being that a penalty notice is, I think, supposed to punish and hence act as a deterrent to future infraction; and in my case here, I am receiving the punishment and hence deterrent for the first offence only after having unknowingly committed the same offence again. In effect the fine is double what it normally is.

I look forward to your replies, thank you.
« Last Edit: Today at 07:58:48 am by SolarRichie »

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Is this definitely a Penalty notice?
Can you post up a copy with personal details redacted?

Please to post up all sides of the 1st PCN and the front page of the 2nd, together with copies of what you wrote and of their rejection.

Only redact yr name & address - leave all else in.

For guidance on posting images see
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

Pity youd didn't come on here before you submitted your reps to TfL.  In cases like this, one could also argue that you weren't aware you had committed the offence until the PCN arrived in the post, but in between the two dates, you'd gone through the tunnel again and got another PCN. So ask for the 2nd PCN to be cancelled.

However, you've had a response. Have they re-offered the discount ? Reason to ask is  because if you take them to London Tribunals the full penalty will be in play, not the discount.