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Hi everyone,

Thanks for taking the time to read this and offering your support.

I was wondering if I could seek your expert help. I yesterday received a PCN with an alleged traffic contravention of 32JD.

The PCN states:

‘The council of the London Borough of Ealing believes that a penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle registration mark……for the alleged traffic contravention of 32JD - failing to proceed in the direction shown by the arrow on the blue sign (proceeding in the wrong direction) in Greenford Road/The Broadway Ruislip Road Greeenford (906) on the 12/9/23 at 18.48’


Below is the video from the council relating to the PCN which also has a link to images.

https://viewmypcn.co.uk/default.aspx?r=59c2...cb635d0704aa7f4


I read somewhere else in the forum on PepiPoo, that a successful appeal was permitted when stating that the motorist was:

‘…plainly waiting for the opportunity to move into the correct lane in order to drive straight ahead‘

Am I correct?

Is a driver not allowed to change lanes anymore?!!!

No representation has been sent as of yet by myself. I was looking for your advice before sending one in a bid to try and make a successful representation.

I await your response with great anticipation, and thank you for taking the time to help.

Your advice, help and support is greatly appreciated.

Thank you

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Re: Ealing alleged traffic contravention of 32JD
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I've just posted this at PPP, so crossed wuth yours here

In all the years PPP has been running, (I've been a member for a decade) I've never heard of any problems with disclosing the reg mark and PCN no. for Council tickets. Soi I wouldn't worry.

For posting images of documents and photos I find https://imgbb.com/ easiest to use, as long as one scrolls down foir each image and copies the BBCode for each and paste it in the post here.
For the video use an external site such as youtube and post a link here, or one of the experts will do it for you.
For GSV links see the instructions at
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

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Need remaining pages of PCN - often mistakes in small print.

Somewhere near here?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GC1qTMbkQ33exYAaA
Please move around until you get the correct view and then post the link.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2023, 11:38:08 am by John U.K. »

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Thanks John,

The reg number and PCN are on the image. I’ll try and get the video uploaded if I can otherwise the link to the video above should work I would hope, but I’ll see what I can do to make it easier to view for everyone


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It does feel like it was this location heading Southbound along the Greenford road:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/GC1qTMbkQ33exYAaA

Re: Ealing alleged traffic contravention of 32JD
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I’m afraid I am struggling to convert the video to a postable format. The link to the PCN evidence video is as follows:

https://viewmypcn.co.uk/default.aspx?r=59c201257df136c64ed578c64cb635d0704aa7f4

If there is any way an expert can help post this I would be very grateful otherwise I can post the PCN number and vehicle reg in a separate post if it helps.

Again thank you all for your support.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2023, 12:40:17 pm by Doctordoctor »

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Saves having to wade through the adverts!









I fear videos are bejond my pay-grade, but someone will sort it for you.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WQKFUcpfKqn5vM8S8
Am I right in thinking your were in the r-h right-turn only lane but went straight on?
« Last Edit: September 24, 2023, 12:14:02 pm by John U.K. »

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Hi John. Yes. But I indicated (as you can see in the video) with the intention of moving into the next lane along once I realised it was right turn only.

I’ve never heard or seen this traffic contravention before and it makes me wonder how hard Ealing are working to issue PCN’s as, when I went back to visit the road where the alleged incident took place, it looked like there were cameras almost every 30-50m. Some for bus lanes and then there were these ones too.

It gave me the impression that this is a ‘gold mine’ of a road for council revenue!!

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The other reason I am keen to overturn the penalty charge notice issued by Ealing council is down to my experience of receiving a penalty charge notice from them in the past. In that instance, I accidentally turned right on a ‘no right turn’ road as the sign indicating no right turn was not clearly visible and was covered in moss, and the road markings were obstructed by a van, parked over them, stationed there on a double yellow line.

I paid the fine as I was afraid that I would no longer be eligible for the discount if I submitted an appeal. The council responded by saying ‘something’ along the lines of that they took on board the mitigating circumstances, but given that the fine had been paid that the matter was now closed.

I was fuming! I couldn’t believe the arrogance of the council in their response at the time!

As a result I am an advocate of any organisation, like yours, that helps the general public to seek justice against these ‘behemoth’ that prey on vulnerable members of the community!

Re: Ealing alleged traffic contravention of 32JD
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Video:



Importantly the arrows on the road surface are only advisory. You have until 4 October to submit representations and preserve the discount.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Ealing alleged traffic contravention of 32JD
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This location has mixed results at tribunal a few win and just as many lose with the argument that the contravention did not occur

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I’m keen to see if it is possible to draft a good appeal/representation and see what happens. I think that is probably about as far as I am willing to take it, but I am keen to ‘hammer’ Ealing’s authority if they are taking the public for ‘a ride’ in any way.

I have seen some council’s happy to dish out PCN’s to drivers who park in front of a dropped kerb stating that they are there to serve vulnerable members of the community and driver’s should be aware as the law is written in the driving manual.

However, when people petition to put a line in front of the kerb as a preventative measure, with the same intent of protecting vulnerable members of the community and assisting them with crossing the road, the council resists, presumably because the site is too much of a revenue generator!

It comes across that the welfare of those vulnerable individuals means very little to them, and they’re just being used as an excuse to take money off of the general public…which is blatantly wrong in my humble opinion which is why i question each and every motive made a council, especially when it comes to distributing PCN’s!
« Last Edit: September 24, 2023, 06:24:46 pm by Doctordoctor »

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Thank you @cp8759 for posting the video. I really appreciate your effort.

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I suppose it all comes down to whether you're willing to risk the full amount at the tribunal.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Ealing alleged traffic contravention of 32JD
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@CP
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Importantly the arrows on the road surface are only advisory.

The OP recalls going southbound along Greenford Road. That would mean passing these signs on the traffic lights
with turn right light and blue turn right.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/1kx1G7cmwHxdZcr96

Similar signs are at the other junctions. Still only advisory?