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Drove over the edge of Oxford ZEZ
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Hi all, I drove down a road in Oxford because I was turning around to avoid the stupid ZEZ. What I didn’t realise was the road was also covered, because I didn’t see a sign for it on the right. There was a sign ahead which I did see but its angle led me to believe it was for the road straight on. As it happened, I drove in to the ZEZ, parked up by the camera, had a massive argument with my other half then turned around and drove straight out of it.

I’ve attached a photo showing the oddly facing sign and will attach another showing the one I missed below this.

Date posted 13/09/2023
Date vehicle in zone 29/08/23
Date charge was due by 04/09/2023

Do I have any grounds of appeal at all? I know nothing of all this ridiculous emissions stuff!

Thanks

Here’s a link to the place

https://maps.app.goo.gl/55NzeBcXeCuvPdNA9?g_st=ic
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Please post the PCN, (all sides)  as we have yet to see an Oxford one for this low emissions zone. Only blank out name and address.

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"I know nothing of all this ridiculous emissions stuff!"
You do need to rapidly get up to speed on these zones because they're going in all over the place, and the councils are dining out very generously on the proceeds. Just so you are aware, a petrol car built before about 2003 and diesel before 2015 are not compliant with the emissions limits for these zones. The recent ULEX expansion in London covers the whole of the London area and the PCN penalties are eye-watering.

The Oxford scheme is for zero emissions vehicles, so even a low-emission vehicle must pay. This is the only zero zone I'm aware of.

https://www.oxford.gov.uk/zez

Oxford has gone completely barmy, but barminess seems to be catching on !
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That’s the one I have to hand. The back was just about how to make reps but I’m not at home atm

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Quote from: Hihun111 on September 17, 2023, 01:21:39 am
That’s the one I have to hand. The back was just about how to make reps but I’m not at home atm
We have often found fatal errors in the routine stuff on the back of a PCN that makes it void.  Most London ones are now OK, but we don't often see PCNs from outside London, so it's always best to check them for errors.

Having looked at the Oxford ZEZ, all non-electric vehicles must pay. They intend to make the zone larger in 2025, to cover all of central Oxford. Barmy !  But they get away with it.
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The plan here
https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/residents/roads-and-transport/oxford-zero-emission-zone-zez/view-map-zez
Suggests that although you may have passed the signs, you may not have actually entered the zone.
The wording says the whole of New Hall so suggests you did, as do the signs.
A definite anomally which leaves doubt.
The order doesn't help
https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/sites/default/files/file/roads-and-transport/Oxford_Zero_Emission_Zone_master_order.pdf
Likely only to be resolved with a copy of the deposited plan??

I have to ask, given that you seem to have been aware of entering the zone, why did you not pay?
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I wasn’t aware of it. I didn’t see the sign for the road I was driving down, I thought it was applying to the high street ahead
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Quote from: DancingDad on September 17, 2023, 01:39:26 pm
Likely only to be resolved with a copy of the deposited plan??
Isn't that just going to be a print-out of https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/sites/default/files/file/roads-and-transport/Zero_Emission_Zone_Plan.pdf?

On a more optimistic note the PCN conflates the concepts of service and delivery, which has had some success recently at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal (more than I expected to be honest).

We definitely want to see the remaining pages as there might be more issues.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Quote from: cp8759 on September 18, 2023, 01:21:09 am
Quote from: DancingDad on September 17, 2023, 01:39:26 pm
Likely only to be resolved with a copy of the deposited plan??
Isn't that just going to be a print-out of https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/sites/default/files/file/roads-and-transport/Zero_Emission_Zone_Plan.pdf?
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Seems to be.
The interactive map I linked to yesterday gave me the impression the boundary was further into the road.... doesn't seem to today???
A glitch with me or my computer?
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Doesn’t really look like I have a leg to stand on does it
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Quote from: Hihun111 on September 18, 2023, 08:26:10 pm
Doesn’t really look like I have a leg to stand on does it
We have no idea until we see the rest of the PCN. We see flawed paperwork from councils all the time, so post it up and we'll have a look.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Whoops. Thought I already did!

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Any thoughts? I hate this hanging over me
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You would have driven past this sign first, which is further down George street before you get to the entrance of New Inn Hall Street...the entrance to which is roughly where the bus is on the street view image.
Had you carried on up George St much further you would have gone through the no cars/bike "gate" which is reserved for buses.

See
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Vpaxptbwa5DkgbeG9
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Quote from: Hihun111 on September 19, 2023, 08:44:46 pm
Any thoughts? I hate this hanging over me
Basically, appeals against PCNs are won either on whether the contravention occurred or not, usually but not exclusively on the signage on the street, (missing, not visible etc), or on the PCN, and errors of its mandatory content, and the management of its enforcement. That's why we like to see the PCN.
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