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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: Incandescent on May 20, 2024, 05:35:47 pm
Quote from: kolag22 on May 20, 2024, 04:27:59 pm
Quote from: John U.K. on May 20, 2024, 04:10:02 pm
I am now confused as to what is Dartford Crossing and what is TfL???

The Dartford Crossing has a toll you have to pay to TFL (Transport fo London)
The toll is paid to the government, it's nothing to do with TfL.
You need to answer Neil B's question.  Almost all cases we see on here where the OP says they received no letters at all, are because the address on their V5 Registration Certificate is out-of-date.

Thanks for the clarification. I will be checking that document once I find it. Thanks.
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: Neil B on May 20, 2024, 03:39:57 pm
Quote from: kolag22 on May 20, 2024, 01:07:00 pm
I found the letters there. They had no name on them, and the letter had an additional number for the door number (for example, if the house number was 44A, the letter showed Flat 1 44A, where it should just be Flat 44A
How does that compare to your V5C? Don't guess, actually get it out and look at it?

I've finally found the V5C and yes, the address on it is different from the address on the Royal Mail postcode finder.

So, like in the example above, Royal Mail shows two similar addresses, Flat 1 44A and Flat 3 44A. But the address on the V5C is just 44A.

How do I use this information and is there anything else I need to check?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: H C Andersen on May 20, 2024, 04:42:30 pm

So just to clarify, I have not received any letters from TFL or the bailiffs.

So as asked already: What is the address on your V5C? (Get it out and check pl).


How does this compare to your postal address? Look it up on postcode finder:

https://www.royalmail.com/find-a-postcode

I've finally found the V5C, and yes, the address on it is different from the address on the Royal Mail postcode finder.

So, like in the example above, Royal Mail shows two similar addresses, Flat 1 44A and Flat 3 44A. But the address on the V5C is just 44A.

How do I use this information and is there anything else I need to check?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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@Neil B @John U.K. @Incandescent

Please see details requested above.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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The Dart Charge is nothing to do with TfL. I've just had 2 Penalty Charge Notices from Dart Charge, the letter has a big red circle in the top left corner with a white C in it, the top right says Department for Transport with a government logo. Large letters underneath says PENALTY Charge Notice (PCN), do not ignore.

My matter was resolved amicably with a phone call, I couldn't register my new car with my Dart Charge account as it was already on their database with the previous owner.
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: kolag22 on May 22, 2024, 10:03:38 am
@Neil B @John U.K. @Incandescent

Please see details requested above.

Thanks in advance.
The problem you have is that you, the keeper holding the V5 for the car, are responsible for the correctness of the V5 address. So why was the Flat Number not on the address on the V5 ?

If you're going to submit an Out-of-Time declaration to get the matter reverted, (and your money back), you will have to explain why none of the statutory documents reached you. Most cases we see on this forum where people don't receive any documents before bailiffs knock on their door are due to address errors on the V5. In some cases we've seen V5s with addresses over 2 years out of date.

Others will no doubt comment.  Note that having paid the bailiffs has absolutely no influence on the success or failure of an out-of-time Statutory Declaration, or Witness Statement.
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: kolag22 on May 22, 2024, 12:33:47 am
I've finally found the V5C and yes, the address on it is different from the address on the Royal Mail postcode finder.

So, like in the example above, Royal Mail shows two similar addresses, Flat 1 44A and Flat 3 44A. But the address on the V5C is just 44A.
I'm confused. This seems to be a direct contradiction of what you originally said? but have since edited? >>
Quote from: kolag22 on May 20, 2024, 01:07:00 pm
I found the letters there. They had no name on them, and the letter had an additional number for the door number (for example, if the house number was 44A, the letter showed Flat 1 44A, where it should just be Flat 44A
You don't seem to know your own address?
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: kolag22 on May 22, 2024, 12:34:38 am

I've finally found the V5C, and yes, the address on it is different from the address on the Royal Mail postcode finder.

So, like in the example above, Royal Mail shows two similar addresses, Flat 1 44A and Flat 3 44A. But the address on the V5C is just 44A.

How do I use this information and is there anything else I need to check?

Thanks in advance.

Clearly, either you or the vehicle dealership made a mistake when registering the vehicle. The Flat number should be provided on the V5C. You should ensure that you amend the address using the DVLA online service.

Secondly, as there is clearly a mistake in the address field (in that the flat number is missing), this is sufficient grounds for you to submit an Out of Time Witness Statement to the Traffic Enforcement Centre.

Bailiff Advice Online
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: Neil B on May 22, 2024, 12:09:33 pm
Quote from: kolag22 on May 22, 2024, 12:33:47 am
I've finally found the V5C and yes, the address on it is different from the address on the Royal Mail postcode finder.

So, like in the example above, Royal Mail shows two similar addresses, Flat 1 44A and Flat 3 44A. But the address on the V5C is just 44A.
I'm confused. This seems to be a direct contradiction of what you originally said? but have since edited? >>
Quote from: kolag22 on May 20, 2024, 01:07:00 pm
I found the letters there. They had no name on them, and the letter had an additional number for the door number (for example, if the house number was 44A, the letter showed Flat 1 44A, where it should just be Flat 44A
You don't seem to know your own address?

Yes I amended the previous information because my partner thought she found other letters from the bailiffs but she got that wrong.

I've intentionally changed the door number here because I do not want to share personal information on the internet, which is the reason I gave an example.
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: Incandescent on May 22, 2024, 11:23:44 am
Quote from: kolag22 on May 22, 2024, 10:03:38 am
@Neil B @John U.K. @Incandescent

Please see details requested above.

Thanks in advance.
The problem you have is that you, the keeper holding the V5 for the car, are responsible for the correctness of the V5 address. So why was the Flat Number not on the address on the V5 ?

If you're going to submit an Out-of-Time declaration to get the matter reverted, (and your money back), you will have to explain why none of the statutory documents reached you. Most cases we see on this forum where people don't receive any documents before bailiffs knock on their door are due to address errors on the V5. In some cases we've seen V5s with addresses over 2 years out of date.

Others will no doubt comment.  Note that having paid the bailiffs has absolutely no influence on the success or failure of an out-of-time Statutory Declaration, or Witness Statement.

The address on the V5 was the address provided by the landlord. I was not informed that the word 'Flat 1' needed to be added before the door number. Is there a template that others have used based on them running into the same situation?
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: Bailiff Advice on May 22, 2024, 01:19:06 pm
Quote from: kolag22 on May 22, 2024, 12:34:38 am

I've finally found the V5C, and yes, the address on it is different from the address on the Royal Mail postcode finder.

So, like in the example above, Royal Mail shows two similar addresses, Flat 1 44A and Flat 3 44A. But the address on the V5C is just 44A.

How do I use this information and is there anything else I need to check?

Thanks in advance.

Clearly, either you or the vehicle dealership made a mistake when registering the vehicle. The Flat number should be provided on the V5C. You should ensure that you amend the address using the DVLA online service.

Secondly, as there is clearly a mistake in the address field (in that the flat number is missing), this is sufficient grounds for you to submit an Out of Time Witness Statement to the Traffic Enforcement Centre.

Bailiff Advice Online

Ok that sounds great. Do you know where I can find a template to submit the Out of Time Witness Statement based on others being in the same situation?
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: kolag22 on May 22, 2024, 01:32:36 pm
Ok that sounds great. Do you know where I can find a template to submit the Out of Time Witness Statement based on others being in the same situation?
There are no templates because every case is different.
Bailiff Advice is probably best placed to help you with this, especially with the dubious adding of the extra £110 fee.
I suggest you send them a private message via this forum.
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Re: Dartford Crossing Clamping £536.30
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Quote from: Neil B on May 22, 2024, 01:51:21 pm
Quote from: kolag22 on May 22, 2024, 01:32:36 pm
Ok that sounds great. Do you know where I can find a template to submit the Out of Time Witness Statement based on others being in the same situation?
There are no templates because every case is different.
Bailiff Advice is probably best placed to help you with this, especially with the dubious adding of the extra £110 fee.
I suggest you send them a private message via this forum.

Thank you, I'll go ahead and do that.

Appreciate the help from you and everyone.
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Be aware that the council can object to your OOT submission, so it needs to be very carefully written to emphasise you were not given the full address by the landlord of your property. I'm sure Bailiff Advice will take this on board.
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