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Hi
Have received an enforcement notice from CDER Group saying we have to pay £192.50 and if it’s not paid by 06:00 am on 09/10;24 they will send enforcement agents to our property.
The contravention occurred on 23/12/23 and a warrant was issued on 24/07/24.
We live in France, in 2017 the vehicle was exported to France and has a French number plate. We sold the car in France in May 2023. The car is still in France.
At DVLA it has an export marker and no PCN’s outstanding.
The letter arrived at my mothers address in Bournemouth where our driving licenses our registered.
Called CDER they advised to call TEC (transport enforcement) in Northampton, DVLA and Dartford police, (he then back tracked and said he didn’t say to call the police)  no answer from TEC OR DVLA.
Phoned CDER back and they were just rude and unhelpful a said “ I told you what to do” I said they don’t answer he said “of course they do”.
The vehicle has obviously been cloned.
I have told my mum not to let anyone in, we don’t have any possessions there anyway. But she is in her 80’s and I have a feeling any enforcement agents will try to be intimidating.
Many thanks

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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
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Best if you post up the letter from the bailiffs.

This may be a mis-read of a number plate, but you really MUST persist with both the DVLA and TEC. YOu need to get proof of export from the DVLA.

However, have you contacted DART yet, as you don't mention them at all ?  You need to tell them the situation. If DVLA shows the vehicle as exported, they should have a date for this, and this date should be before the contravention date. With bailiffs at your door, the only avenue to get them off your back is to submit an Out-of-Time Witness Statement. For this you need to submit Forms TE7 and TE9. The TE7 is to ask for permission to submit the WS out-of-time.



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Tried to fill in an online form but it comes up with a message saying no outstanding PCNs for this vehicle.
I can’t up load letter, the file is to big, it’s a photo from my mum.

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Speak to the Dart Charge penalty notice department, they are usually quite helpful. I have a vintage vehicle which was "cloned" by an east European lorry. they used the same LLLNNN system we used until 1963.A quick check of their photos cleared the matter.

If you liv in France there's nothing bailiffs can do to collect from there. Quite how Dart Charge got your driving licence details is a mystery as there's no link between driving licence address and registered keeper addresses at the DVLA.

See the sticky at the top of the page on how to post photos.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

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To be honest I assumed Dart contacted DVLA and they gave out license address details. The vehicle was never registered there so I can’t see any other way they could have got the address.
Im not too bothered about bailiffs for me, just them turning up at my mums house.

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Put the notice on an image hosting site. Just hide name and address.

Bailiffs make their money out of tracing people but this is an odd one.

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Picture host site,
I didn’t even know that was a thing

« Last Edit: October 09, 2024, 05:19:01 am by Sheppy100 »

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The VRM on the NoE is CX10YYG - not a French plate but a SORN'd Vauxhall: https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/VehicleFound?locale=en

Others would know, but this car has not been exported, it's supposed to be sitting off the road somewhere in the UK

Driving licences aren't linked to car VRMs also how could a vehicle be registered both in the UK and France?

But OP you are correct in that your focus should be on how to prevent your mother being hassled. I fear that telling her 'not to let anyone in' won't put her at ease.

IMO, take France out of the equation and look at what remains:
The VRM is still registered with DVLA;
Therefore they will have a registered keeper;
This is you - forget selling a French-registered car in 2023, this is irrelevant. You are still on record as the RK of CX etc.. in the UK;
This VRM used the Dartford crossing..
Hence why you're being pursued...

However, you say that 'the vehicle was never registered there[your mother's house]', but this isn't the point: the car is registered to you in the UK. If all procedural notices have been sent to this address (and unanswered) then they would pursue you, initially at this address but afterwards anywhere provided by the law. You're linking your mother's with driving licence, but we don't know. They might have searched other databases to find out an address.

If you're claiming that DVLA's records are incorrect, then IMO you'll need proof.

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VRM gives a silver Vauxhall - status SORN. MOT expired 12 Jan 2018. Last logbook issued 15 August 2017 - that address will be where they initially sent a PCN.

But no such PCN on Dart system - in fact no outstanding PCNs. Suggest you call Dart as this looks like a plate misread or maybe clone but no PCN outstanding is odd unless their system closes them when moved to enforcement.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2024, 09:43:17 am by stamfordman »

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A quick look at "Check VED" shows your vehicle status as SORN, and last V5C issued on 15th August 2017. So you should, in theory, still have that paper V5C in your possession.

I think you need to contact DART as a matter of urgency to get details of the vehicle, photos etc. At the moment, the bailiffs have only added on their £75, but if they visit, will add on £235.

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We airbed the vehicle as soon as we got into France… the v5 went to the local prefecture so it could be exported into their system we have a copy of the log book (carté gris) for France….  We are trying to contact all the relevant bodies but it’s very difficult especially calling them from France

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"airbed"
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Airbed… sorry should have been “sorned” auto correct 🙄

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Dart Charge contact centre is usually very helpful - call 0300 300 0120. Among authorities that issue PCNs they are about the most benign.

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We have emailed them, tried to phone also but it’s difficult from France and potentially very expensive as we only have French mobiles.
I think we’ll just have to wait it out and see what happens… the enforcement agents, in theory can’t take any possessions from my mums as we do not have anything of ours there.