Author Topic: Guildford Council - G-Live Car Park: Code 73: Parking without making a payment  (Read 552 times)

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Good morning,

Hoping that this is going to be a straightforward appeal.

Yesterday, we were surprised to receive a PCN (At bottom) on our vehicle after attending a show at G-Live with my young daughter. To make a long story short, the Pay & Display machine only accepted coins and we made concrete effort to reluctantly re-downloaded the RingGo app to pay the minimum charge of £4+ for 3 hours (I hate parking apps with a passion). We were only there for 1 hour 20 minutes.

After the PCN, we discovered that the RingGo app had used the default setting of our old number plate, which was sold in 2021. It is an honest mistake for not double-checking, however, I do not recall at any point, did the app ask to re-confirm the number plate. The parking code 73 stated "Parking without payment of the parking charge".

I have evidence that payment was made, with no intention of depriving the council of revenue. Is there a template for appeal?

My thoughts are:

- Evidence that payment was made albeit with incorrect number plate
- Evidence that the default number plate was previously owned by us (I am also looking for confirmation that we sold the car to prove we no longer own the car). Our previous car was also a Volkswagen so there are similarity to our current car.
- No signage/T&Cs on-site specifying number plates is required as part of payment (If paid by coins, no number plate is required).
- Inadequate choice of payments as expected machines to include contactless option.
- Most importantly for them, there were no intention to deprive council of revenue/loss of earnings.

I have several pictures of any signage in close proximity, even at the entrance and there were no T&Cs at all.

Grateful for any thoughts or guidance on appealing.

As a starting point, to use evidence of payment as first point then evidence of past ownership of the default number plate then point out it is clear that there were no intention to deprive council of revenue.

PCN Doc:

https://imgur.com/a/zKKV1gk


Many thanks
« Last Edit: August 29, 2024, 09:24:30 am by ObserverOfLife »

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Thank you - Imgur was blocked on work laptop but managed to do it via phone. Hope the link works.

OK, PCN is for failure to pay the parking charge, but you did pay, albeit for the wrong reg number, so you're in with a good chance of cancellation, assuming the council aren't venal and rapacious.

Guildford will cancel this according to its policy. A simple, short polite challenge saying you accidentally made an error with selecting the VRM for a car you no longer own on the app but did pay for parking for your current car (evidence enclosed) and hope the council will cancel on this first occasion and that you have deleted the old VRM and will not make the mistake again.



https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Os9iQ3OXokX9NNAmoGHFUG9L1L2FTNmR/view
« Last Edit: August 29, 2024, 10:47:22 am by stamfordman »

Thanks folks - I presume a copy of past ownership might reinforce the appeal?

Guildford council has a significant debt so I do wonder how lenient they might be... I will let you know the outcome!

Morning folks - Just an update, I neglected to post earlier this week.

45 minutes after I appealed, they have cancelled the PCN. Amazed how quick it has taken but thanks for all of your help here.

Have a great weekend!

Well done.
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Wow, that was quick. Well done !

They must have known I would be busking down there or else.  :o
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"