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#HC Andersen


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I went to the location to take some photos and realised the PCN has the wrong location.

Thanks for the additional challenge points. Brilliant write up!

When sending this additional information
Should I include pictures of the 2 bays with location or include a link to the  Google street view showing the 2 separate bays and door numbers?
Thanks

If you have anything that backs up your challenge include it.

Seeking advice: informal rejection and issues pictorial evidence provided by Council.

I need some advice regarding the informal rejection I received by email yesterday. The experts may identify issues  with the rejection letter.

Link below to the original letter emailed yesterday.


https://ibb.co/jZjxRM5j

They have dismissed the issue of the missing suffice that it is for administrative purposes;  ineffect denied that the PCN has insufficient information describing the contractrvention for the motorist to understand the contravention. The PCN
needs to identify, whether by wording or images, that the class of vehicle
for which the bay is designated is goods vehicles only.


Also, I noticed a few issues with the evidence attached to the letter:
*  The title of the council's picture on Page 4  labelled “outside No35,” is showing Nos. 29 A & B ( The Lyca Shop) which is incorrect. I have attached the link to the council 's picture which is on page 4 of the rejection letter below.

https://ibb.co/FbBmw5W0

Current GSV showing  Nos. 27 - 35 No.s Church Street including the two bays and the double yellow line separating the two bays.

https://ibb.co/nsHg6T1S
https://ibb.co/jP8LZvYw
https://ibb.co/7J895YM7

https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.373493,-0.102113,209.18h,-27.39p,1.91z,vgv-lCaS5L74BhJqM5FtIw


See attached link

https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.373442,-0.1024,94h,10.39p,2.7z,2w_QXUVANf3u6y4OQL9l5Q

Link below to the Files with all the pictures including the PCN and The Authorities evidence/ pictures.

https://ibb.co/7J895YM7
https://ibb.co/nsHg6T1S
https://ibb.co/jP8LZvYw
https://ibb.co/jZjxRM5j
https://ibb.co/FbBmw5W0
https://ibb.co/mFYSNpCF
https://ibb.co/CpSqrdGp
https://ibb.co/gCS2Hy9
https://ibb.co/sJDbxy0X
https://ibb.co/7N0t3Hzj
https://ibb.co/BKcK5nLZ
https://ibb.co/Q3sKGV9P
https://ibb.co/21ScSKDr
https://ibb.co/fVjh9sQS
https://ibb.co/84SgGDF1
https://ibb.co/214VRjKr
https://ibb.co/DgGZdHYy

 Any advice or help would be appreciated.

Any advice on how to proceed?

Thanks in advance.

@H C Andersen
@stamfordman
@CP1857


Advice Needed: Croydon Council PCN Rejection

Croydon Council has rejected my informal challenge. I’ve posted the full details and their rejection letter in my earlier post here: Reply #17 December 18, 2025, 01:40:55 pm

https://www.ftla.uk/index.php?action=post;topic=8956.15;last_msg=103008#:~:text=%C2%AB%C2%A0on%3A%20December%2018,Insert%20Quote



Could I please ask for your expert eyes on my case? I’d really appreciate your thoughts:

Many thanks in advance for any advice—it’s a great help.


@H C Anderson 
@stamfordman 
@cp8759 
@Incandescent
@404BrainNotFound

Urgent advice needed

Please could I have some urgent advice.
The rejection letter states that I have until 5 January 2026 to pay the reduced amount of £80.
For background, please see my previous post:
Reply #17 on: December 18, 2025, 01:40:55 pm for full details and a copy of the rejection letter.
The council’s initial rejection is dated 17 December 2025.
I then sent a further challenge around 20 December 2025, raising the issue of the wrong location. I have not yet received any response to this additional challenge, which I assume may be due to the Christmas and New Year holiday period.
My questions are:
Are they likely to consider and respond to this additional challenge about the wrong location?
Are they under any obligation to place the PCN on hold while they review and respond to the additional challenge?
Will the discounted amount be reoffered, given that both my initial challenge and the additional challenge were submitted while the PCN was still at the discounted rate?
I am worried about losing the option to pay the discounted amount if they do not respond to my additional challenge before today.
I am therefore in a dilemma as to whether:
to pay the discounted amount, which expires today (5 January 2026) according to the rejection letter dated 17 December 2025, or
to wait and see if they respond to my additional challenge.
Also:
What are the realistic chances of success if this goes all the way to the tribunal?
Would I be able to get help from the expert forum members in drafting my tribunal representations if needed?
Many thanks in advance for your time and help.

I think you're fairly safe waiting for the NTO as they'll probably reoffer the discount should they reject again.

You posted many links with no grouping and no inline images - you need to make it easier for us.

What links are the rejection letter?

@H C Anderson
@stamfordman
@cp8759
@Incandescent
@404BrainNotFound

Urgent advice needed

Please could I have some urgent advice.

Sorry for the late post. Had difficulty uploading the council rejection letters so that it is clear and legible
The new ( 2nd rejection letter to my informal challenges) states that I have until 20 January 2026 to pay the reduced amount of £80.

Seeking advice on prospects at tribunal vs paying discount (£80) – PCN CR49091397
Sorry for the late posting, I’d appreciate some guidance on whether it’s worth continuing to tribunal or paying the discounted amount today. The discount (£80) is significant and expires end of today (20/01/26)or else I will have to pay £160 if I lose or pay if I wait for the NTO and appeal and lose.

Timeline:
•   1st informal challenge → rejected ( Link to challenge and rejection letter)
•   https://ibb.co/wrMPf7DN
•   https://ibb.co/jZjxRM5j

•   Updated informal challenge → rejected( Link to challenge and rejection letter)
•   https://ibb.co/TxTtwj8M
•   https://ibb.co/KcYKWf6M


•   Discount re-offered until today 20th January 2026.


In the council’s rejection letter dated 5 January 2026, they now state that I was parked outside Nos. 31–33 Church Street and rely on a photograph to support this. However, they argue that the precise location (door number / lamp post / exact position) is irrelevant as long as the street name is correct.
My concern is that this would only be correct if the entire stretch were a single bay. In this case, there are two distinct loading bays, separated by double yellow lines, serving:
•   Nos. 27–33, and
•   Nos. 35–41
The bays are not contiguous and are subject to separate restrictions. The PCN originally alleged parking outside No. 35, which relates to a different bay.
Questions:
1.   Is the authority correct in saying that the precise location (door number / bay location) is irrelevant in these circumstances, where there are two separate bays on the same street?
2.   The council admits that the CEO photograph of the restriction signage / timeplate is blurred, but dismisses this by saying photographic evidence is not a statutory requirement.
o   Is that correct in practice?
o   As an ordinary motorist, if the signage image is blurred and the PCN wording does not specify the class of vehicle the bay is restricted to, how is one supposed to understand the alleged contravention from the face of the PCN?
3.   Are there any other procedural or evidential issues anyone can spot from the rejection letter or facts?
Ultimately, I need help deciding:
•   Whether to pay the £80 today, or
•   Continue to the Notice to Owner and tribunal
What are my realistic chances of success at tribunal based on this?
Also, if I wait for the NTO, is the discount typically re-offered, or should I assume it will be gone?
Any expert insight would be much appreciated.


Usually most London councils re-offer the discount when rejecting formal reps against a NtO, the exception being Havering. They re-offer it because it is a PITA for them to prepare the evidence pack and they also have to pay the adjudication fee.

Your dilemma is summed by the Earl of Montrose here: -

"He either fears his fate too much
Or his deserts are small
Who fears to put it to the touch
To win, or lose it all"

If you take the case all the way and lose, you'd have to pay an additional £80, but that is all, there are no extra costs. Is that too fearful a fate, or too small a gain if you win, (paying nothing) ?Councils rely on people folding and paying the discount so you'd be in a large company.
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