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Hello

My wife receieved a PCN from Croydon Council on 15/11/23, whilst taking our 18 year old son for a driving practice drivng lesson ahead of his test in a couple of months.

52J - Failing to Comply with a Prohibition on certain types of vehicles.

This happened on Dalmally Road at the junction with Blackhorse Lane in Croydon (Addsicombe).

I appealed against the PCN on 16/11/23 and subsequently have recieved a Notice of Rejection on 09/11/23

Should this be appealed further (to the Adjudiator) or should the fine be paid?

I attach the original PCN, my intial appeal and the Rejection Notice from Croydon Council.

  :) All and any advice/guidance gratefully accepted, thank you for taking the time to read this  :)

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Re: 52J - Failing to Comply with a Prohibition on certain types of vehicles (Croydon Council - Dalmally Road)
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VRN is DE19 XEZ
PCN is CR 18682060

Google does not yet have any images of the signs on the road at Dalmally Road.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3846303,-0.0713052,3a,75y,48.5h,83.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPy2ON2JoJADg9VRXA2tFwQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

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Re: 52J - Failing to Comply with a Prohibition on certain types of vehicles (Croydon Council - Dalmally Road)
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Here are your notices





And here your challenge



And your photos
 Which direction was the car travelling? Left or right into Dalmally Road from Blackhorse Lane, or the reverse?
I suspect that the contravention may be proved, but see what the experts have to say about the 'small print'.










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Re: 52J - Failing to Comply with a Prohibition on certain types of vehicles (Croydon Council - Dalmally Road)
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the car was travelling along Dalmally Road on to Blackhorse Lane.
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THe key bit of info here is the intention to install warning signs, (but not doing so before the LTN was established,  because this indicates the inadequacy of the signage.  If you're prepared to stand your ground and risk the full PCN penalty, take them to adjudication. However, a win is not guaranteed, I'm afraid.  Apart from the missing warnings, you look bang-to-rights, frankly.
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Quote from: Incandescent on December 08, 2023, 12:24:56 pm
THe key bit of info here is the intention to install warning signs, (but not doing so before the LTN was established,  because this indicates the inadequacy of the signage.  If you're prepared to stand your ground and risk the full PCN penalty, take them to adjudication. However, a win is not guaranteed, I'm afraid.  Apart from the missing warnings, you look bang-to-rights, frankly.

I just came across some other information which might be relevant.  Since the PCN does not has an address where I can send payment by post, does this not make it invalid or a reason to contest it?
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Nope. Cannot read most  of the images.  The PCN does not specify what vehicles.
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