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Thank you NeilB

I think this must be the earlier PCN that I spoke of and hopefully the PCN will now have been reset as requested in my PE3 and I can now pay or dispute as appropriate. Of course I will update this if and when I receive it.

Just to recap as perhaps I have not made it clear enough.

My original message said.

Hi everyone I have a problem arising from TFL and the Northampton Count Court that I am sure someone has already experienced. With absolutely no prior notice or warning I had bailiff's turn up at my house yesterday. I was not at home but I spoke to the bailiff n the phone and he supplied me basic details of the "court order" this was the PCN ref, vehicle reg, location and date. When I checked these out sure enough it was for a PCN on a vehicle I own but issued from a CCTV image. This was on 18 April 2023 and I definitely did not receive a PCN nor did I receive any further reminders, charge notices etc. During this time I have received post from the Royal Mail. The vehicle was registered to me with the correct name and address and I checked this with TFL. Further to this I did not receive any letters from Northampton court not one. Also the bailiff claims to have sent me a letter dated 21 August 2023 that they charged me £75 for and that also never arrived. I am at a complete loss to explain this situation and none of the organizations involved are interested in helping. It is unfortunately too late to avoid paying this judgement but I wanted to understand how this can be legal. If I had a chance to pay the original fine it would have been £80 but through no fault of mine it rose to £560. Please let me know your thoughts.


I owned this vehicle at the time of the PCN.
I was not the driver of this vehicle at the time of the PCN.
The vehicle was registered to me at my current address and that address was on the V5
I sold the vehicle at the beginning of August and had a receipt from the DVLA to confirm.
I NEVER RECEIVED ANY LETTERS WHATSOEVER REGARDING THIS NO MATTER HOW UNLIKELY THIS MAY SEEM.
The bailiff quite clearly had my correct address.
Phoning the TEC is almost impossible unless you take a day off work.

Thanks for the reply, the details on the V5 were 100% accurate I had the V5 in my name and address from January 2021 until August 2023. I still have a copy of the V5 and I also have the notification of sale from the DVLA. There are 2 PCN's and in both cases I never received the original PCN or any following letters but on the PCN of 25 May I did receive the order for recovery which first alerted me to the problem, the second PCN was dated 18 April and the first I knew anything about it was when bailiff's turned up at my home 0n 20 September. I have had perhaps over 50 dealings with TFL for vehicles I own and were registered with me over the last 6 years and in every case the letters arrived and were dealt with.

It is unfortunately too late to avoid paying this judgement

No, it's not too late to seek a refund but you will need something to say on the TE7 form.
You are not giving us anything.

The sworn oaths that I have made are PE3 and not PE7.

Enceladus has highlighted that the bailiff issue concerned a parking issue, so that one requires forms TE9 and TE7 in order to seek a refund. They are slightly easier in that they do not need swearing/witnessing ----- but you still have nothing to offer for the TE7.

Thanks for the reply, the details on the V5 were 100% accurate I had the V5 in my name and address from January 2021 until August 2023. I still have a copy of the V5 and I also have the notification of sale from the DVLA. There are 2 PCN's and in both cases I never received the original PCN or any following letters but on the PCN of 25 May I did receive the order for recovery which first alerted me to the problem, the second PCN was dated 18 April and the first I knew anything about it was when bailiff's turned up at my home 0n 20 September. I have had perhaps over 50 dealings with TFL for vehicles I own and were registered with me over the last 6 years and in every case the letters arrived and were dealt with.

But this assumes TfL don't make mistakes --- while we know they do.

You've been advised to phone TEC to ask a specific question but you haven't. I don't see what else we can say.

DVLA would put Mickey Mouse, Toyland down as the registered keeper if required. The point being that they do not validate addresses, merely record them.

That is not right.

DVLA validates all new keeper addresses on the Postcode Address File.

Enceladus

" On the 23rd Sep TFL issued a replacement PCN in respect of your missing ULEZ PCN and the SD you submitted to the TEC.

Has it arrived with you and when?"

You are absolutely correct in this as I did call TFL as well as TEC to request copies of all letters, at the same time I checked they had my correct address and they did. The copies from TFL have not arrived as yet and I have not received anything further from TEC except for the confirmation email.