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Council PCN fake evidence
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Copy of PCN attached.
Also a photo of the street I was parked in.
Their photo evidence of the parking suspension isnt where I parked, its a completely different place, you can see the houses behind the sign are not the houses on the road where I parked. There was no signs at all where I parked, i checked thoroughly.
(I know a few people parked in the next road where there were no signs either and the prohibition cones were put there after to produce PCNs!)   
How do I tackle this pls?

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« Last Edit: September 08, 2025, 07:10:27 pm by Mylifestory »

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Please also post the back of the PCN and GSV links to the actual location and the alleged location.

(For future reference, scroll down past each image to find the BBCode, highlight and copy then paste in your post here.)
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This is the actual location, there is a white building on the left and the location rotate slightly to the right and see the row of houses in my previous photo.

https://www.google.com/local/place/fid/0x47d8ea361aa8deef:0xdddb1545110235f1/photosphere?iu=https://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?panoid%3DweBGXkZh1k_lwBL_zCtLgw%26cb_client%3Dsearch.gws-prod.gps%26yaw%3D273.04535%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100%26w%3D0%26h%3D0&ik=CAISFndlQkdYa1poMWtfbHdCTF96Q3RMZ3c%3D&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwinmpa3msmPAxWTbEEAHafKGIgQpx96BAgZEBI


The location they have taken a photo of is nowhere near, I have no idea where it is. There is no more parking for miles to the right and on the left its near a roundabout so anything past that would be a different road.

Back of PCN :




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The contravention is stopped on a red route or clearway - clearway looks more likely from your Maps link. Is there any signage.

The sign pic looks like they've included it by mistake.






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There are no red routes there. It's not a clearway either, it's a road for people who live there to park on. No signs at all. Their pic isn't a mistake, they ticketed every car along there and the next road, the car adjacent to mine was sent a completely different sigh saying no parking 8am- 6pm mon- Fri which isn't from anywhere near there either! I checked thoroughly for any signs at the time.

Just wondering how to word the response?

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Here? Looks like a stretch of degraded verge.


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It's very green in your pic bt it's more gravelly now and the cars all park towards the big road in front. The houses you can see all park there. See my pic above that shows the back of my car.

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The sign has the look of a temporary parking restriction where there is normally no restriction, so needs a traffic order. It is not a parking suspension sign. So where is this sign in relation to the location of your car ? GSV links will help.
The other thing is that I'm not sure if a red-route/clearway contravention can be enforced off the carriageway. Hopefully somebody on here can say whether I'm rignt or wrong.

We seldom see non-London PCNs and the councils tend to be much more dozy even than London councils ! So I wouldn't be surprised if this PCN is total nonsense.

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Their evidence sign was nowhere on that rd. Another person who also got a ticket went and checked today, the lamp posts are very fat and nothing like the 1 this sign is on. None of us were on the road as you can never park there, it's a major highway. This area is very raised off it and a daily parking area, pic as below. I also believe it is total nonsense as you say, just need to know how to word it


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OP, let's park the conspiracy theories pl: as regards local government, when given the choice between c**k-up and conspiracy, put your money on c**k-up!

See this:  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c78f895e5274a0ebfec719b/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf

So, three types of clearway, only one of which applies to verges, if indeed this was your contravention.

Dear Sir,
PCN *******
My grounds of representation are that the contravention did not occur and these are borne out by the PCN and the authority's own photographic evidence.

The stated PCN contravention is 'Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway).'

In order to substantiate this allegation, the CEO would have to believe that my vehicle was 'stopped', as defined and which is NOT synonymous with waiting, and was so in a length of road subject to a red route or clearway prohibition.

Of the authority's 5 photos, 4 show my car stationary and therefore prima facie 'stopped'. However, none of the other photos shows any evidence of a 'red route'. As regards whether I was 'stopped on a clearway', none of the authority's photos shows my car on a carriageway subject to a 'clearway' prohibition and as the authority should know stopping on the verge of a 'clearway' is not a contravention in any event.

I now refer to the fifth of the photos, namely a sign indicating a 'waiting' restriction whose evidential value I am at a loss to understand given that 'waiting' is not the alleged contravention and a 'no waiting sign' cannot be used to create a 'no stopping' prohibition.

I think it's clear that the CEO has made a mistake as the alleged contravention did not occur the PCN must be cancelled.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2025, 09:58:32 pm by H C Andersen »
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The "apparatchik" who reads this in their enforcement office will know absolutely nothing whatsoever about the law on red routes and clearways, so you'll inevitably get a refusal, but the reply will be even further damning making a win at adjudication a certainty. On the other hand, they may cancel !
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I tracked this location down, it was actually taken at 76 Lodge Road:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/57gJcd1MFizV6j4t7 (2024 GSV)

According to GSV, that's about a 30 minute walk from the Indian Night restaurant.

It relates to restrictions around a "Radio 2 In the Park" event in nearby Hylands Park:

https://writtle-pc.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/1_Hasmadedoc-V1.pdf

Both Lodge Road and London Road are named in that. If OP saw no signs, perhaps there were none and the enforcement officer used the one half an hour away!


Dan
« Last Edit: September 09, 2025, 08:13:47 pm by dannyno »

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The OP wants to include this sign, not reject it, because it supports their argument!

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I tracked this location down, it was actually taken at 76 Lodge Road:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/57gJcd1MFizV6j4t7 (2024 GSV)

According to GSV, that's about a 30 minute walk from the Indian Night restaurant.

It relates to restrictions around a "Radio 2 In the Park" event in nearby Hylands Park:

https://writtle-pc.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/1_Hasmadedoc-V1.pdf

Both Lodge Road and London Road are named in that. If OP saw no signs, perhaps there were none and the enforcement officer used the one half an hour away!


Dan

Excellent work finding that location! I saw yr public notice link bt that's online, not actually out in public for ppl to read?

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Wouldn't have thought you'd find it pasted up anywhere, no.

Dan