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Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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10 mins is too long for assisted boarding unless you can make the case it was as long as necessary.

We need to see the PCN, rejection and challenge - if you can take pics of them email them to me at marcb@csi.com and I'll post, removing any personal details.

The wrong PCN images Stamf?
« Last Edit: October 16, 2024, 10:11:43 am by Starworshipper »

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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Yes wrong pics - have changed.

With 5 mins observation I would have a go but concerned the initial challenge mentions a delay but this could be safely not mentioned in favour of necessary time taken to accommodate needs, distance?

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Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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I've seen the initial rejection but have no idea how to display it as it is in PDF ?


Adjust the PDF screen view so that it displays a whole page
TILT. ???

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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I've seen the initial rejection but have no idea how to display it as it is in PDF ?


Adjust the PDF screen view so that it displays a whole page
TILT. ???

Not sure what "Tilt" means in this context, but what I meant was to maximise the window /zoom out until you can see the whole page.

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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I've seen the initial rejection but have no idea how to display it as it is in PDF ?


Adjust the PDF screen view so that it displays a whole page
TILT. ???

Not sure what "Tilt" means in this context, but what I meant was to maximise the window /zoom out until you can see the whole page.
Well I've done that -- sort of/I think/maybe -----
but can't now see any option to save, let alone in a different format.

I've been pretty much lost on everything since the upgrade to Windows 11.

It really doesn't say anything anyway, other than what I've already said.
So it all rests on what she said in initial challenge and if she takes the advice not to repeat anything incriminating.

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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You can export a PDF as as an image file from a PDF reader, use a website that does conversion, or upload to a host that accepts pdfs - eg imgbb.com

This is a case yesterday but there are lots of these as we know.

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2240406329

Mr Julian xxxxx has attended the hearing today as the authorised representative of his wife, Jaqueline xxxxx.
The CEO's images show Mrs xxxxx's car stopped on the single yellow line during the controlled hours. Mrs xxxxx appeals because she says that her husband was stopped to pick up their young child from xxxxx School in East End Road. The PCN was issued at 3.32pm. There was no observation period by the CEO before the PCN was issued and Mr xxxxx says that he was away from the car for around 5 minutes. He says that he saw the CEO on returning to the car and explained what he had been doing. Mr xxxxx tells me that his child is eight years old and must be collected from within the School premises.
I am satisfied from the evidence that Mr xxxxx was picking up his child from school and that the picking up exemption therefore applies. The exemption allows a motorist to leave a vehicle where a passenger needs to be escorted or assisted as is clearly the case with young children.



Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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Name of road; parked o/s no. ????; 'elderly person' lives at no. 30, which is on same side/opposite and ??? m from where parked but which was the closest available at the time; regular activity, therefore pre-arranged; finding parking place is lottery and therefore some events take 3-4 minutes if EP is ready or 9-10 if not; whether EP is ready is not known to the driver when they park.

Can we have more facts pl.

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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thank you for all your comments
It is more that the elderly person needed to go to the loo before coming out, and then couldn't find her handbag, this is real life stuff, elderly people who are nearly 90 cannot always be rushed. The walk is not to far number 30 to number 19.
I'm not sure it was definitely 10 mins all I know is I went in to get her and when I came out I had a ticket. Is it worth getting the elderly person to write something ?   

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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this is real life stuff, elderly people who are nearly 90 cannot always be rushed.

Exactly, so IMO don't dance on the head of a pin about matters, tell them as they occurred and let the adjudicator decide should it get that far. 

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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Is it worth getting the elderly person to write something ? 
I've already suggested you do that?

Don't rush this. You have until 31st as I explained.

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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Name of road please.

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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Boston Road E6

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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Real life stuff...

The parking places are continuous, virtually for the whole length of the road.

Where are the dropped footways to facilitate crossing from odd to even numbered sides of the road? IMO the speed humps don't count and why would traffic calming be needed anyway???

As far as I can see the dropped footways are at either end far beyond numbers 19 and 30.

Or does EP play chicken with traffic at 90 years of age?

Rhetorical but pointed as regards how long a person would take to walk from A to B.

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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You can export a PDF as as an image file from a PDF reader, use a website that does conversion, or upload to a host that accepts pdfs - eg imgbb.com

This is a case yesterday but there are lots of these as we know.

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2240406329


Mr Julian xxxxx has attended the hearing today as the authorised representative of his wife, Jaqueline xxxxx.
The CEO's images show Mrs xxxxx's car stopped on the single yellow line during the controlled hours. Mrs xxxxx appeals because she says that her husband was stopped to pick up their young child from xxxxx School in East End Road. The PCN was issued at 3.32pm. There was no observation period by the CEO before the PCN was issued and Mr xxxxx says that he was away from the car for around 5 minutes. He says that he saw the CEO on returning to the car and explained what he had been doing. Mr xxxxx tells me that his child is eight years old and must be collected from within the School premises.
I am satisfied from the evidence that Mr xxxxx was picking up his child from school and that the picking up exemption therefore applies. The exemption allows a motorist to leave a vehicle where a passenger needs to be escorted or assisted as is clearly the case with young children.

I have looked at the Tribunal case for this specific case you have quoted 2240406329 I cannot seem to find it.

I will be grateful if you could please confirm teh case reference number

Re: contravention 12 - parked in residents bay with no permit
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I have looked at the Tribunal case for this specific case you have quoted 2240406329 I cannot seem to find it.

I will be grateful if you could please confirm teh case reference number

The number is correct.

Here's another.

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2240372023

At this scheduled personal hearing the Appellant attended in person but the Enforcement Authority did not attend and were not represented.
A contravention can occur if a vehicle is parked, waiting, loading or unloading in restricted street when a waiting, loading/unloading restriction is in force.
There appears to be no dispute that the vehicle was at this location, or that the Penalty Charge Notice was issued to it, as shown in the photographs/digital images produced by the Enforcement Authority.
The Appellant’s case is that is that he is a licenced private hire vehicle driver and was setting down a disabled passenger at the Premier Inn Hotel and had to assist him to the premises. The Appellant adds that when he returned, he explained this to the civil enforcement officer, who does not record this.
Picking up and setting down of passengers is permitted at this location. It should normally take no longer than two minutes but slightly longer must be allowed in the case of the elderly, disabled or very young, who may have to be escorted to nearby premises.
I have had the opportunity of hearing the Appellant personally and accept what he tells me.
Considering all the evidence before me carefully I find as a fact that, at the material time, picking up/setting down within the meaning of the exemption was taking place and thus a contravention did not occur.
Accordingly, this appeal must be allowed.