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the driver recently parked in a residents parking to pick up an elderly lady who cant walk well, the driver has appealed on these grounds but the PCN has been upheld. The PCN is from Newham Council.  they put a note in the car window, and because the lady was not completely ready was about 10 minutes in the house. Should they continue appealing? should I get the elderly person to write something, like what? does anyone know about assisted boarding?
« Last Edit: October 15, 2024, 06:39:06 pm by Lauragle »
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To help us help you, please read the following thread carefully, and provide as much of the information it asks for as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide

The guide includes advice on using a third party site to add images.

Your use of the phrase "Contravention 12" makes me wonder if this is a council ticket rather than a private parking charge. If so, tell us and I will move this to the council forum.
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Please read this: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide

Once you have figured out from that thread the information we need and posted pictures of the Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received, we can then provide the necessary advice.

In the meantime, please answer the following... was the person you picked up at the location, a resident (tenant or owner) at that location? Did you park in a random residents parking spot or was it the parking spot of the person you were picking up, irrespective of whether they own a vehicle or not?

Do you or the person you picked up have a blue badge or a recognised protected characteristic under the Equality Act?
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It is not a private road it is owned by Newham, I parked as close to the persons house as possible, I'm hoping I can appeal on assisted boarding, She does not have a blue badge although I am trying to help her apply for one. It is difficult to keep the context brief and I don't know if I should . This is real life, she lives on her own, has no family in the UK and I try and help her. But picking up an elderly person is not always straight forward .
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As we are not sure whether this is a parking on private land or parking on land under statutory control, such as a council (Newham?) we need to see the Notice to Keeper (NtK) received.
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I have tried to upload a picture of it but I cant see to manage it
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Quote from: Lauragle on October 15, 2024, 07:13:25 pm
I have tried to upload a picture of it but I cant see to manage it

Have you read this? It includes a guide to adding images.
Quote from: b789 on October 15, 2024, 02:44:14 pm
Please read this: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide
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sorry I'm not able to upload it despite all the instructions I'm just not technical enough I have also tried to copy and paste the image but that hasn't worked either.
it says
12- parked in a residents or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required, or without payment of the parking charge
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Who is the notice from? The council or a private company?
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the council
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What is:

- PCN number
- Car VRM (numberplate)
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Quote from: stamfordman on October 15, 2024, 09:12:43 pm
What is:

- PCN number
- Car VRM (numberplate)
PN39411158
WP18 GYF

NtO was dated 2nd October.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2024, 09:55:32 pm by Neil B »
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10 mins is too long for assisted boarding unless you can make the case it was as long as necessary.

We need to see the PCN, rejection and challenge - if you can take pics of them email them to me at marcb@csi.com and I'll post, removing any personal details.

« Last Edit: October 16, 2024, 09:57:52 am by stamfordman »
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I've seen the initial rejection but have no idea how to display it as it is in PDF ?

It doesn't say anything; just a standard Newham rejection that says they have considered all comments.
OP does not have a copy of original challenge but does think she mentioned there was a delay when she arrived. (she is a bit prone to being overly honest imo)
But this is the first I've heard of it being 10 minutes!!
Obs were recorded as 5 mins on the pcn.

The passenger is elderly and needed assistance to walk to the car.
Perhaps Laura can tell us what distance that was?
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Quote from: Neil B on October 16, 2024, 09:11:35 am
I've seen the initial rejection but have no idea how to display it as it is in PDF ?


Adjust the PDF screen view so that it displays a whole page
Press CTRL+PrtScn
Open Paint
Paste into Paint
Save as... a .jpg
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