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Hi All

I am seeking your good selves help, again!

The PCN pages:

https://ibb.co/xqpN9qrZ

https://ibb.co/tPDvq3M8

https://ibb.co/JjNnZTSK


The CCTV video footage:

https://vimeo.com/1080895166?share=copy#t=0

The vehicle is the blue Nissan Micra.

Thank you in anticipation.

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Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
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I can't see much concrete to go on here I'm afraid.

You might be able to argue that the markings extend well past the natural junction, as evidenced by the ease with which the large van behind you was able to exit.  But I think most adjudicators give the authority a lot of leeway under the TSRGD2016

IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

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Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #3 on: »
It could also be argued that the exit was clear (i.e. no offence) when the car entered the box junction. It could easily have slotted in the left hand side of the lane, partially alongside the black vehicle. (Why don't people take the obvious "escape routes" rather than stopping in the box junction?)

Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #4 on: »
Please read the case supplied in my post above.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #5 on: »
The PCN is invalid.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/haringey-52(m)-pcn-nor-help-(downhills-park-rd-n17)/msg54378/#msg54378

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Hi Hippocrates

Thank you for your response.

Pardon my ignorance, I have read the case that you supplied and won (congratulation by the way). But I am unable to identify the non-compliance part that renders my PCN invalid.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2025, 01:50:51 am by mitaab »

Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #6 on: »
I would like to make use of the 14 days period to challenge the PCN. I think I have two days left before it expires.

Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #7 on: »
PM received.  Re this:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mq9MAnLdByhCxR5IzpKhvDT7LKlTOHUJ/view 
and your PCN
https://ibb.co/xqpN9qrZ

does the latter tell you you must make representations before 28 days from the date of service or t  you will be liable for a charge certificate?  I think not therefore it is ambiguous.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2025, 10:59:47 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #8 on: »
PM received.  Re this:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mq9MAnLdByhCxR5IzpKhvDT7LKlTOHUJ/view
and your PCN
https://ibb.co/xqpN9qrZ

does the latter tell you you must make representations before 28 days from the date of service or t  you will be liable for a charge certificate?  I think not therefore it is ambiguous.

Indeed, it does not!

As I understand it, it should have said "if you fail to pay the PCN or make representation before 28 days ..... then an increased charge of £240 maybe payable", correct?

I am going ahead with the challenge. I need your help in phrasing it.

Shall I copy and paste the adjudicator's reasoning from the ETA case you referenced?



Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #9 on: »
Nope. I will draft later as this is slightly more complicated than the case won.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #10 on: »
Nope. I will draft later as this is slightly more complicated than the case won.

Much obliged!

Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #11 on: »
I am snowed under with cases but will do a draft later today. Best to get it right first time.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #12 on: »
I am snowed under with cases but will do a draft later today. Best to get it right first time.

Fully agree. I look forward to receiving the draft, many thanks!

Take your time. On the LA website, it says "The amount outstanding on the Penalty Charge Notice will increase to £160.00 on Wed, 14 May 2025. Please pay £80.00 now." Plenty of time.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2025, 03:48:30 pm by mitaab »

Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #13 on: »
That date is wrong. It increases on day 15 from the date of the PCN.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Code:31 J Entering & Stopping in a Box Junction
« Reply #14 on: »
Dear Council

I make these two collateral challenges:


The PCN

The PCN wrongly states which action triggers the period in which the council may serve a charge certificate: “If the Penalty Charge is not paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240.00 (less money paid) may be payable and a  Charge Certificate may be sent on you seeking this amount.” The law states at Schedule 1 5:

1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge to which it relates is not paid before the end of the relevant period, the enforcing authority may serve on that person a statement (in this paragraph referred to as a “charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in question is increased by 50 per cent.

(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28 days beginning—

(a)where no representations are made under paragraph 1 above, with the date on which the penalty charge notice is served;

Further, the PCN does not inform me with regard to the service of a Charge Certificate if representations are not made by the end of the said period. Please refer to Case No: 224038612A.

The website

The date regarding the increase to £160 is clearly wrong. It is essential that appellants are correctly informed of the statutory dates of what and when to pay.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN

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Keep a screenshot of the website and adduce it as evidence. I cannot access as do not have the PCN and VRM details!
« Last Edit: May 09, 2025, 11:07:01 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r