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Re: Bristol CAZ
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It's the same photos on both PCNs, the photo on the earlier PCN is just zoomed-in for some reason. It matters not, you now have a compelling case, draft reps:

Dear Bristol City Council,

I challenge liability for PCN BS00000000 on the basis that the penalty demanded exceeds the amount due in the circumstances of the case.

The PCN carries an 0870 premium rate telephone number, and I contend that as in Paul Bateman v Derbyshire County Council (DJ00037-2209, 10 November 2022) this amounts to an excessive demand. While I appreciate other payment methods are available, binding authority from the High Court in the case of London Borough of Camden v The Parking Adjudicator & Ors [2011] EWHC 295 (Admin) determined that where one payment method carries a surcharge, the availability of other payment methods is irrelevant and the penalty demanded is excessive.

It follows that the penalty charge must be cancelled.

I also challenge liability on the basis of a procedural impropriety. The council served a PCN dated 10 July 2023, then a few days later it issued a further PCN for the same contravention but with a date of issue of 17 July 2023.

Regulation 8(4) of The Road User Charging Schemes (Penalty Charges, Adjudication and Enforcement) (England) Regulations 2013 defines a procedural impropriety as "the service of any notice or document, otherwise than... in accordance with the conditions subject to which or at the time or during the period when it is authorised or required by these Regulations".

Service of a second penalty charge with a different date of issue in respect of the same allegation is service of a document which was nether authorised nor required by the regulations, that is a procedural impropriety on the basis of which the PCN must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,


Don't forget to upload a copy of Paul Bateman v Derbyshire, and keep a screenshot of the confirmation screen.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Re: Bristol CAZ
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Just to resurrect this thread, I put in my appeals and kept the email confirmation from the council.

I've never heard anything further, and if I return to the appeal page the outstanding amount is still the discounted amount (screenshot below is from a few minutes ago today)

https://ibb.co/6DxWPgS

If I'm reading paragraph 9 of regulation 8 correctly here, the council had until the 18th September to reply to my original appeal (submitted on 24th July).

If this is the case, is it best to contact the council myself, or just wait and see if they ever reply to me and presume the matter settled if not?

Re: Bristol CAZ
« Reply #17 on: »
The regulations are very clear: -
Regulation 8

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(9) It is the duty of a charging authority to whom representations are duly made under this regulation—

(a)to consider them and any supporting evidence which the person making them provides; and
(b)within the period of 56 days beginning with the date on which the representations were served on it, to serve on that person notice of its decision as to whether or not it accepts—
(i)that one or more of the grounds in paragraph (3) has been established; or
(ii)that there are compelling reasons why, in the particular circumstances of the case, the penalty charge notice should be cancelled.
(10) Where a charging authority fails to comply with paragraph (9) within the period of 56 days mentioned there—

(a)it is deemed to have accepted the representations made under paragraph (1) and to have served notice to that effect under regulation 9(1);
and
(b)it must as soon as reasonably practicable refund any sum paid in respect of the penalty charge notice and (if applicable) the road user charge.
The applicable date for counting the 56 days is the date the representations were received by the authority, not the date then were sent. If the submission is done on-line then the date of sending and receiving the reps is the same.  So I suggest that when the period is well over the 56 days, you contact the council to tell them you have received no response to your reps, and the 56 days allowed by the regulations has expired. Quote the clause in the regulation that deems they have accepted your reps.

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Re: Bristol CAZ
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If this is the case, is it best to contact the council myself, or just wait and see if they ever reply to me and presume the matter settled if not?
I would contact the council and ask if they've issued a response. It's not the end of the world if the notice of rejection has been lost in the post, but it's best to dealt with this as soon as possible as that could save all the hassle of going through the traffic enforcement centre process.

If they have issued a rejection, ask if they can email you a copy.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order