Author Topic: Lambeth 52M Upper Ground Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor veh  (Read 369 times)

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Hi everyone!

Hope you are all keeping well, and as always thank you for taking the time out of your day to help others with their PCNs.

I've been sent a PCN from Lambeth for passing through a no motor vehicles sign at Southbank on Upper Ground. For context, this junction has no motor vehicle signs on two sides! I saw one side, did a 3 point turn to avoid it and clearly unwittingly drove through the other. The sign on the right also would have been in my A-pillar blindspot whilst doing the turn and the one on the left is remarkably far away from the carraigeway.

I would like to find out if I have any grounds for appeal. I note that similar to another Lambeth case dealt with by user Hippocrates on here (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-52m-eastmearn-road-lambeth-5206/msg62370/#msg62370), there is a discrepancy in dates - the notice was issued on 06.08.2025 and states that I have 14 days to pay the discounted rate, but the online portal says I have until 25.08.2025 to pay the discounted rate, which is 19 days.

Please find attached a copy of my letter, some screengrabs from the portal and some GSV screenshots. The exact google maps location is here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Bwrmawh2sBDkGB4h9
Please note that if you move around you will lose the signs as there is very little data for 2024 and after at this location.

I also note this successful appeal at Tribunal for this location regarding improper signage, citing no prior warning from sharp turns https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:70::INITIALISE::70:P70_CAS_REFNO,P70_PCN_REFNO,P70_RETURN_PAGE,P70_AST_CODE:1673801,3076567,60,APPEAL&cs=39m0YTCPGBmq8dTz83zMUMXopV1wBPOJjrc2CeV6jLBjyU8NXmwjuct50v5fP16VknjeZt11Md283SIzyuaO2Aw

Thanks in advance for your time.






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Video does show you turning right.


It's virtually a deliberate trap, isn't it ? The only possible approach is from under the bridge, and this sign is there:-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SG3acMnGEHUPeRrm6
Essentially, the only place you can get to is the car park but this is blocked-off with bollards. So you have to turn right and go up the ramp to Waterloo Bridge Road: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2RNgCPkenTdqayym8
then where you go only God can help you !

So why were you driving along Upper Ground ? Following an out-of-date satnav maybe ?

It's virtually a deliberate trap, isn't it ? The only possible approach is from under the bridge, and this sign is there:-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SG3acMnGEHUPeRrm6
Essentially, the only place you can get to is the car park but this is blocked-off with bollards. So you have to turn right and go up the ramp to Waterloo Bridge Road: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2RNgCPkenTdqayym8
then where you go only God can help you !

So why were you driving along Upper Ground ? Following an out-of-date satnav maybe ?

I approached from Waterloo Bridge down to Upper Ground to find parking, as there used to be P&D bays on there. I turned right onto Upper Ground, drove under the bridge, saw that Upper Ground eastbound was now blocked off with the no motor vehicles sign.

I then reversed into the National Theatre car park approach to turn around. The thought did not enter my head that I would have driven through a one way no motor vehicle sign. I completed the three point turn, completely missed the signs and drove back the way I came.

The last time I drove on Upper Ground, it was an unrestricted, two-way road with a fair few P&D bays. I personally think the signage is inadequate. The sign showing the road layout under the bridge doesn't actually show the sign I went through, as it is in the opposing direction to that sign, so the only way to catch it is to spot the signs as you are turning right out of National Theatre.

Video does show you turning right.



Yes absolutely. I suppose I am wondering if there are any grounds for appeal despite this - either due to poor signage or procedural improprieties relating to payment dates, as Hippocrates previously achieved on a Lambeth PCN.

Well, if you're looking for a 'technical' appeal, hopefully Hippocrates will soon comment. However the video shows the contravention is made out, but what a devious trap they have set up up here, but typical Lambeth