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Hello to all,

Quick overview of my situation :

In February I received a PCN for parking in a suspended bay in Chichester.

The first I knew of it was an email from the car rental company (Enterprise) in March, informing me they had received a notice to owner and would be naming me as the hirer.

Fast forward to yesterday, and I get another email from Enterprise stating that Chichester Council "refused to transfer liability to me" and had issued a charge certificate, which Enterprise had since paid.

I would add that I live in France.

Presumably, this extinguishes all possibility of my appealing the ticket? As far as I can see, it does, but Enterprise state:
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Should you wish to appeal, you will still have the opportunity to do so, however please let us know so that a letter of authority can be issued to you providing our permission to liaise with the issuing authority whilst the fine remains in our name.

Thanks for your help.

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Enterprise are idiots, but there we are!

I would add that I live in France.

Pl expand.

You hired the car in the UK;
The address you gave was your address in France or not?
Your driving licence is French or international?
Or?

In any event, if the authority did not treat you as the owner(transfer liability to the hirer)then they refused those representations from Enterprise who were therefore put on notice in a Notice of Rejection that they had to pay the penalty or appeal or risk the penalty increasing by 50% and a CC being issued.

When did they contact you? Do you know the date of the CC?

A CC has a time limit of 14 days, so in whatever time remains the chances of them bringing you into the game(i.e. give you standing to act on their behalf) are v. slim IMO.

Thanks for your reply.

It was a car rented from the UK.

My French address was on the hire contract (I don't have any other address).

What I don't understand, is on what grounds the Council would refuse to recognise me as the hirer, given my address was provided and it is one of the statutory grounds for making representations?




They can't pursue you abroad although they can set a useless debt collector on you.

Whether they are entitled to refuse the reps I don't know.

Enterprise should has gone to the Tribunal stating there is a statutory ground to transfer the liability to you, they may get costs awarded in their favour as the Council may be wholly unreasonable.

However it is not your problem as you cannot make representations if it is not in your name, Council will not accept your representation unless it is in your name due to GDPR.

You don't state explicitly but I assume Enterprise are looking to pass the cost on to you (plus an admin fee?).

Whether the council had the right to refuse to transfer the case to your name I do not know, but either way Enterprise should have a duty of care to you and if they were going to pay it they should have done it before it reached Charge Certificate stage.

Timeline :

6/2/25 Date of alleged Offence
12/3/25 NTO sent to Enterprise
22/5/25 : Email received saying "enforcement notice received" and payment made

I was first notified just after they received the notice to owner (see photo) where they clearly state "Enterprise will not pay this charge".

I subsequently received a further email yesterday where I was informed that they had paid it.

On querying why it had been paid, they stated they had received an "enforcement notice" which I assume was the Charge Certificate (see email response).

What seems nonsensical to me is that despite them having paid, they still state I can appeal (which is not the case, as I understand it).

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« Last Edit: May 23, 2025, 09:37:29 pm by FrenchFlyer »

6/2/25 Date of alleged Offence
12/3/25 NTO sent to Enterprise


What did you do with the PCN on the car you'd hired?

Enterprise are idiots, but as regards parking legislation I don't think this helps you.

You have led us astray with references to a CC. Enterprise have paid the penalty at the full rate following receipt of the authority's Notice of Rejection which presumably did not re-offer the discount*.

From the regs:

"enforcement notice”, other than in regulation 35, means—
(a)
a regulation 10 penalty charge notice, or

(b)
a notice to owner;

We don't know which because you've not told us how a PCN was served on the vehicle, if indeed it was.

If a NTO, then there's no CC as their email makes clear.

So, to reset this matter there is no 14-day time limit and CC.

But before going on, tell us what you did with the PCN.

*- get a copy of the NOR from them.

Yes apologies for my mixing up of terminology, there is no reference to a charge notice, only a NTO dated 12 March (I have a copy) and an "enforcement notice" (referenced in correspondence but not yet seen).

However, when I try to login to the Chichester Council website, I get a message saying "it appears a charge certificate has been issued".

If there was a physical PCN on the vehicle I have no recollection of seeing one, the first I heard was the email from Enterprise after the NTO arrived.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2025, 10:27:38 pm by FrenchFlyer »

A NTO is an 'enforcement notice' whereas a CC is not. It might also be that Enterprise have used the term in its general sense, who knows?

It's possible that the penalty has been paid by them after receipt of the NTO....but paid late, hence the CC.

This is all speculation.

As it stands, what are your losses i.e. have they debited a sum from your account?

They have invoiced me a £35 admin fee, and now invoiced me £70 for the parking fine.

They will be unable to take payment for either as the rental was through a corporate account (no credit card provided), so will be interesting to see how far they want to press the issue.

They will be unable to take payment for either as the rental was through a corporate account (no credit card provided), so will be interesting to see how far they want to press the issue.

'Rental was through a corporate account'!


If a corporate account, why write to you if you were only the driver? If you signed the 'statement of liability' was this understood as being in your personal capacity or as a person authorised by the corporate account holder who IMO would then be the 'hirer'.

If the invoices are in your name and in your personal capacity, then if you don't pay who's to know Enterprise's next step. Was the hire subject to the laws of England and Wales or what? But if to you in the capacity of an authorised representative of the hirer(corporate account holder) then their next step might be your employer.

Who is the hirer in law? Was it a company or was it you in your name?


My company (of which I am the President) has an account with Enterprise.

We book the cars for our staff, the staff collect the cars, and we get an invoice on return.

The rental agreement is always with the renter in their personal capacity.

Billing of the rental + any unpaid extras (one way fees, fuel, etc) are invoiced to us at the end of the rental. They don't give a credit card and we stand as garantor for the damage excess.

However, any offences (speeding, parking...) plus admin fees are passed directly on to the driver, our company has no involvement with them at all. Payment is between the driver and Enterprise directly.

I don't object to them levying an admin fee (it was in the contract). What I do object to is their confusing procedure, whereby they say :

1) Here's a parking fine. We won't pay it, and will pass the details on to the council. You'll be able to appeal once they contact you.

Then a couple of weeks later....

2) Actually, it's too much effort to insist you were the hirer, so we'll just pay it, and sod your right of appeal.


« Last Edit: May 24, 2025, 10:39:06 am by FrenchFlyer »

We book the cars for our staff, the staff collect the cars, and we get an invoice on return.

The rental agreement is always with the renter in their personal capacity.

The company books the cars and yet the rental agreement is with each person in their personal capacity


!!

Billing of the rental + any unpaid extras (one way fees, fuel, etc) are invoiced to us at the end of the rental. They don't give a credit card and we stand as garantor for the damage excess.

However, any offences (speeding, parking...) plus admin fees are passed directly on to the driver, our company has no involvement with them at all. Payment is between the driver and Enterprise directly.


You cannot require Enterprise to pass to the driver in regulatory terms, the driver has no standing under the regs. Your company may do so after having paid the invoice or been authorised by Enterprise to act on their behalf, but this is a matter for each employment contract and internal procedures. I think you're confusing the two. Therefore on the basis of what you've posted and absent the key documents*, IMO the following is most likely:

Enterprise tried to pass the buck to the driver under regs because your contract with them states that your company won't fund these;

This is not permitted under regs but perhaps Enterprise tried and were correctly kicked back by the authority who would only deal with the person who is the hirer under regs.

*- Enterprise's reps and the Notice of Rejection.

The "hirer" as far as Enterprise are concerned is absolutely the driver in their individual capacity: they sign the contract and their details are on the system. Our company is simply a source of funding for the rental.

When a staff member is caught speeding or committing any other offence, we (the company) receive no notification at all: Enterprise contact them directly.

Given we are a French company, this may be different to how it works in the UK. 90% of our rentals are in France and Belgium, and where I have incurred a fine (parking or speeding) it has always been redirected to me personally as the renter.

All of the invoices received from Enterprise thus far have also been addressed to me personally, at my personal address (no mention of the company).

I have requested copies of the notice of rejection from Enterprise, but they are closed on weekends so hopefull they will reply on Monday.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2025, 11:32:22 am by FrenchFlyer »