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I received a CDER notice of enforcement on Friday (1st letter) asking for payment by 6am today !
First of all, this seems a bit crazy, is this normal for them to give such shorty deadlines?

I have been abroad for a few years and before I went I am sure you could challenge pcn's etc in court, so I am so surprised there seems no legal recourse now if you disagree with a tfl pcn, its basically pay it or have bailiffs show up, its outrageous.

The story is I got a ticket for stopping (about 5 seconds ) in a yellow box, I appealed the fine as honestly my car was always moving.
I did not recieve the rejection, honest to god I did not recieve it, the only reason I knew it has been rejected was because I looked online a few months later and then checked junk mail,  by this time it had doubled.

I wrote emails and they were ignored explaining, I sent a stat dec and they werent interested, most recently I wrote to the traffic enforcement centre explaining the situation , that I had no issue paying the original fine but felt it was unfair to have to pay double (now £250) as I didnt get their letter and their email went to junk, all true.

I havent heard back yet, letter was sent by recorded delivery and its been at least a coupe of months, looking online on the tfl site it said my fine was on hold again (its been a year now) and then on friday i recieved this letter from cder demanding £325 within 4 days !!!

I am bricking it a bit about the prospect of bailifs showing up but  dont have £325 right now, am i stuffed ? is there anything I can do to put the dogs on hold ? The online account now says - Current status Late Statement Refused/Statement Not Granted.

What if i went online and paid the original fine of £125 without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things on hold for a while ?

Really appreciate any help guys, feel a bit overwhelmed now that bailiffs are writing to me ..
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i should add i dont have the car anymore so dont have the v5 to know if they sent the letter to the wrong address , i had moved but had a redirection but cant remember when i changed my details on the v5, i am certain they wete writing to me at my old address even though i had updated but im not sure how i can check
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Well, join the list of people who delay, (or never) update the name and address on their V5 Registration Certificate !
You have failed to receive : -
- response to your reps to TfL
- Charge Certificate
- Order for Recovery

All statutory enforcement documents are sent to the address on the V5C for the vehicle, although if you gave your current address on your representations to TfL, they should have used that. However, that's all water under the bridge now, and in the ocean.

In order to give good advice, we really do need to see whatever documents you have, so please post them here. Also there is a website specifically dealing with bailiffs : -
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk

It would be prudent to contact them asap to see what options may be open to you. How many years abroad is "a few years", because the decriminalised enforcement of traffic contraventions has been around for well over a decade, and parking since 1991.


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Please post up the Notice of Enforcement from CDER. Only redact your name & address, please leave everything else visible.

The Notice should have given you seven clear days to pay. Sundays and bank holidays are not clear days.

If you didn't receive the original PCN how did you know there was a PCN to challenge?

And contact Bailiff Advice Online as advised by @Incandescent above.
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Quote from: bwolf9999 on June 09, 2025, 08:05:37 pm
Hi all

Is there anything I can do to put the dogs on hold ? The online account now says - Current status Late Statement Refused/Statement Not Granted.

What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125 without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things on hold for a while ?


As your Out of Time Application has been refused, you only have 2 options available...one is to pay before a visit is made and an enforcement fee of £235 added to the account, secondly, you can seek a 'review' of the rejection (of your Out of Time Application) by submitting an N244 Application. There is a fee to pay of £119. If you receive qualifying benefits, you will usually be exempt from paying the fee. You would need to look at form EX160 for details.

Bailiff Advice Online
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Quote from: bwolf9999 on June 09, 2025, 08:05:37 pm
Hi all

What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125 without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things on hold for a while ?

This would not work and furthermore, if TfL were to accept payment, they would be required to pass the payment to the enforcement company so that bailiff fees can be deducted. The following page from my website explains in more details

Can I avoid Bailiff fees by paying the council direct
« Last Edit: June 10, 2025, 01:19:31 pm by Bailiff Advice »
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Quote from: Enceladus on June 10, 2025, 02:08:38 am
Please post up the Notice of Enforcement from CDER. Only redact your name & address, please leave everything else visible.

The Notice should have given you seven clear days to pay. Sundays and bank holidays are not clear days.

If you didn't receive the original PCN how did you know there was a PCN to challenge?

And contact Bailiff Advice Online as advised by @Incandescent above.
Hi mate,
I have attached it here, from what I can see they did not give me 7 clear days.

I had all my post redirected so recieved the first pcn, but not the rejection of appeal, I found that in my junk mail months later and then looked online, I had moved house and everything was all over the place but I am sure I changed the v5 in time but as i have sold the car now (2 weeks after the pcn) i have no proof.


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Quote from: Incandescent on June 09, 2025, 11:40:27 pm
Well, join the list of people who delay, (or never) update the name and address on their V5 Registration Certificate !
You have failed to receive : -
- response to your reps to TfL
- Charge Certificate
- Order for Recovery

All statutory enforcement documents are sent to the address on the V5C for the vehicle, although if you gave your current address on your representations to TfL, they should have used that. However, that's all water under the bridge now, and in the ocean.

In order to give good advice, we really do need to see whatever documents you have, so please post them here. Also there is a website specifically dealing with bailiffs : -
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk

It would be prudent to contact them asap to see what options may be open to you. How many years abroad is "a few years", because the decriminalised enforcement of traffic contraventions has been around for well over a decade, and parking since 1991.
Will post all the docs I have a bit later
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Quote from: Bailiff Advice on June 10, 2025, 01:03:00 pm
Quote from: bwolf9999 on June 09, 2025, 08:05:37 pm
Hi all

Is there anything I can do to put the dogs on hold ? The online account now says - Current status Late Statement Refused/Statement Not Granted.

What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125 without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things on hold for a while ?


As your Out of Time Application has been refused, you only have 2 options available...one is to pay before a visit is made and an enforcement fee of £235 added to the account, secondly, you can seek a 'review' of the rejection (of your Out of Time Application) by submitting an N244 Application. There is a fee to pay of £119. If you receive qualifying benefits, you will usually be exempt from paying the fee. You would need to look at form EX160 for details.

Bailiff Advice Online
Would the bailiffs be advised that I had applied for a review ?
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Quote from: Bailiff Advice on June 10, 2025, 01:12:17 pm
Quote from: bwolf9999 on June 09, 2025, 08:05:37 pm
Hi all

What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125 without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things on hold for a while ?

This would not work and furthermore, if TfL were to accept payment, they would be required to pass the payment to the enforcement company so that bailiff fees can be deducted. The following page from my website explains in more details

Can I avoid Bailiff fees by paying the council direct
Sorry, I meant on the cder website , change the amount from £325 to £150 and pay that, would they still chase the other £175 ? Would it confuse matters for a while?
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Paying £150 to CDER Group without contacting them first to enquire whether a payment arrangement could be set up will NOT avoid a personal visit being made and with it, an enforcement fee of £235 being added to the debt.

When calling them, it would be a good idea to mention that you no longer have the vehicle. That may sway them into accepting a payment arrangement.

PS: If the operator is willing to accept a payment arrangement, please do NOT offer to pay more than you can comfortably afford. They will expect an immediate first payment from you today.
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Quote from: Bailiff Advice on June 10, 2025, 03:19:39 pm
Paying £150 to CDER Group without contacting them first to enquire whether a payment arrangement could be set up will NOT avoid a personal visit being made and with it, an enforcement fee of £235 being added to the debt.

When calling them, it would be a good idea to mention that you no longer have the vehicle. That may sway them into accepting a payment arrangement.

PS: If the operator is willing to accept a payment arrangement, please do NOT offer to pay more than you can comfortably afford. They will expect an immediate first payment from you today.
My understanding is that will go on my credit file , is that correct ?
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Quote from: Enceladus on June 10, 2025, 02:08:38 am
Please post up the Notice of Enforcement from CDER. Only redact your name & address, please leave everything else visible.

The Notice should have given you seven clear days to pay. Sundays and bank holidays are not clear days.

If you didn't receive the original PCN how did you know there was a PCN to challenge?

And contact Bailiff Advice Online as advised by @Incandescent above.
Hi, What can I do? as it wasnt 7 clear days from what I can see ..
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Nothing will go on your credit file.
and
The bailiff doesn't have to be informed if you do apply for an N244 review. Of course, you can always inform them.
and
If you succeed in making a part payment to the Council, it won't help. There are rules as to how part payments are divvied up between the Council and the bailiff. The bailiff can still enforce to recover any outstanding balance.

@Bailiff Advice

Post #6 above includes the Notice of Enforcement. The NoE is dated Monday the 2nd June. And the deadline is 06:00am on Monday the 9th June.

The OP says the NoE arrived on Friday the 6th. Even assuming it was hand delivered, which it wasn't, on the 2nd June there is not seven clear days notice. So this is an invalid defective notice.

What if anything can be done about the defective notice?

Not that a defective notice will prevent CDER from trying to collect.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2025, 04:32:01 am by Enceladus »
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OP, I can't follow your timeline.

The story is I got a ticket for stopping (about 5 seconds ) in a yellow box, I appealed the fine as honestly my car was always moving.
I did not recieve the rejection, honest to god I did not recieve it, the only reason I knew it has been rejected was because I looked online a few months later and then checked junk mail,  by this time it had doubled.

I wrote emails and they were ignored explaining, I sent a stat dec and they werent interested, most recently I wrote to the traffic enforcement centre explaining the situation

So you knew about this at the £250 stage i.e. before an Order for Recovery had been issued, and yet you don't seem to have received, and certainly not actioned, the OfR in time.

Something's not adding up. You cannot have written 'emails and they were ignored explaining, I sent a stat dec and they weren't interested, most recently I wrote to the traffic enforcement centre explaining the situation' since Friday 6 June.

Also, the NoE states that the warrant was issued on 18 November 2024.

IMO, we definitely don't have the full picture.

Neither does the OP have time.

IMO, pay the sum demanded now, by payment agreement or whatever, and then argue the toss about the marginal £75 Compliance Fee.
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