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I have received a PCN from Royal Borough of Kingston Upon Thames for 31J: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited (camera enforcement)

Yes it is the location which has a MrMustard blog, on Kingston Road.

I shall admit that yes I did stop in the box, for around 6 seconds. Quite clear from video I misjudged the space in front so stopped before the junction. However we all know that it is a massive box therefore I was papped. For obstructing traffic flow, the purpose yellow boxes of I believe am not guilty!

Not putting too many words, details are linked below.

[EDIT] Non g-drive links, hope it all works now

Video: https://imgur.com/a/65trczZ
Photos: https://imgur.com/a/uBK3YTX
Full PCN: https://imgur.com/a/lDNMF4A
Google map location: 51.40070328023877, -0.2653368759639359


Obviously I am sore about this mainly because I think the box is massive. I also think the council should get better cameras (can't see reg on video but yes there is a photo with sensitivity turned to max ...) but don't tell them.

I would appreciate if someone can advise if this is worth pursuing. Many thanks in advance.
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
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RBK have not identified the box.  There is also a technical issue re one of the grounds - taken without consent.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2023, 01:32:10 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
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'Taken without consent'?

Would you be kind enough to explain in summary what that means?
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
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It fetters to theft.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
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PM sent.

Case Details
Case reference   2230092428
Appellant   Husain Bulman & Co
Authority   Royal Borough of Kingston Upon Thames
VRM   RO71LLC
PCN Details
PCN   QT07036954
Contravention date   28 Nov 2022
Contravention time   12:23:00
Contravention location   KINGSTON ROAD
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Entering and stopping in a box junction
Referral date   
Decision Date   07 Mar 2023
Adjudicator   Andrew Harman
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
Reasons   
This box junction is not marked in accordance with the legal requirements as set out in The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016
It is not marked at the junction of these two roads but well in advance and beyond that junction.
The penalty charge is not therefore enforceable.
The appeal is allowed.

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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
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@ckt are you in touch with @Hippocrates ?

The video does not show a contravention:

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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
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I have not heard from the OP.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
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I suspect @ckt might have given up and paid, it's a real shame as all Kingston's PCNs are invalid at present as per Stanmore Quality Surfacing Ltd v Royal Borough of Kingston Upon Thames (2230464748, 15 February 2024)
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
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Unfortunately, they have a new Parking Manager now. But, I understand that NSL may not be renewing the contract.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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