https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0RsgOjZ9l_S8ipLQVB?e=yHBvm2https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0RsgTL1QWwOlNgasng?e=ffuKxDhttps://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0RsgIfeLPj_0tbAO7I?e=8Rcheahttps://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0RsgF96P-O4oaP-hNZ?e=ipdbXuI had a live thread going regarding my violation of the Camrose Avenue bus gate.
I was hoping to use the TMO v s36 sign argument but MMV Redux suggested that it is not a flyer these days.
I think the view was also that the conflation argument is also a non starter theses days.
I seem to remember that the last thing that Schofeld posted was something about the TWOC ground but I had no idea what this meant and was awaiting an answer when everything went blank.
If I put the following repesentations in I suppose I am then at a loss as to how to appeal without all the back up tribunal decisions.
"I’ve never been to Harrow so the area was unfamiliar to me. I was travelling behind a learner who indicated that he was turning right. I assumed that he was turning into St Bride’s Ave and as he pulled over I continued on his inside. I was surprised as he didn’t turn but continued moving forward aside me, which disconcerted me, and I suddenly found myself at a stop road marking. I had seen an earlier width restriction sign and assumed this was part of the width restriction. I would add that in my part of London all the width restrictions I have seen buses are directed to the centre of the restriction, which is wider, and cars are directed to the left. It was not unusual for me to position my car as I did.
I saw no signs indicating a “bus gate”.
However I have since looked at Google streetview which shows blue bus lane signs on a backboard. The image was taken in 2008 I believe and can only assume that the round sign, the back of which is visible in your photographs, is a similar blue bus lane sign. These signs seem to be immediately in front of the stop road markings and give no clear warning of a “bus gate”. I would therefore contend that the correct contravention is code 34 Being in a bus lane and not code 33E Using a route restricted to certain vehicles buses, cycles and taxis only.
I have also noticed a wording on the PCN which states:
If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £195 may be payable. We may send you a Charge Certificate seeking payment of this increased amount.
This appears to suggest that I have until 28 days after the service of the notice to pay the Penalty (whereas it should be 28 days from the date of the notice) and also to threaten that if I make representations within the period that I’m supposed to make them I may be subject to an increased penalty. This does not appear to be consistent with the legislation and, I believe, renders the PCN a nullity.
I would therefore request that you cancel the PCN for the following reasons:
1 The contravention did not occur as it is misstated.
2 The PCN is a nullity and should be cancelled because of its defective wording
2 As I cannot see from your evidence what restriction signs I passed, the PCN is a nullity.
3 On a discretionary basis as the circumstances with the learner driver and the normal placing of width restrictions in my area caused confusion.
I have a few more days to submit my representations.
Or should I just swallow my pride and pay up?