Author Topic: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT  (Read 10473 times)

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Can we get back to registering an appeal.

The trigger for the tribunal is the date of issue of the NOR, not the date of an email copy.

The authority re-offering the discount has NO effect on the tribunal's timetable or the regulations.

Register your appeal NOW or risk losing your opportunity and therefore by default £160.
OK.

So should I appeal in line with my challenge that from my riding position looking at the traffic light on the right handside of the road I wasn't aware of any prohibition type on certain vehicles due to inadequate signage and cite the 3 allowed appeal cases.
EDIT: Add something highlighting that other bus gates on the same road do have signs on both sides of the road, like at Great Russell Str & Store Street)
(GSV: https://maps.app.goo.gl/NoumFjzn68ZWxHFHA & https://maps.app.goo.gl/GDYUCYdAqCLHbVh29)

Add to that, there is no other form of 'advance notice' of the timed prohibition as the signage the council have included in their NOR being beyond the point where the prohibition begins making it at that point unsafe to change direction of travel (even if you see it as it is high up and angled slightly inwards)  e.g. if a bus was behind you.

Also the picture of the left hand side traffic light with left blue arrow (also included with the NOR)  directing all traffic to turn left into Howland Street before the prohibition begins. This is both misleading and conflicting because; The blue arrow instructs all traffic except busses and cycles to turn left 24/7 while the Council claims the prohibition on cetain vehicles being allowed to travel straight ahead applies only between 8am & 7pm.

- Can the alleged '33H' contravention even occur due to the turn left blue arrow which applies to all vehicles (except bus & cycles) 24/7 on the traffic light before it?
« Last Edit: July 27, 2025, 06:50:33 pm by markie76 »

Stop compiling War and Peace.

AT THIS STAGE registering your appeal requires nothing more than 'Contravention did not occur' and you rely on your formal reps.

Stop compiling War and Peace.

AT THIS STAGE registering your appeal requires nothing more than 'Contravention did not occur' and you rely on your formal reps.
OK, if I rely on my formal reps doesn't that mean I can't introduce any new appeal points?

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OK, if I rely on my formal reps doesn't that mean I can't introduce any new appeal points?

No, you can submit further points before the hearing: you can also respond to any points raised by the Council in their aevidence pack.

The original NOR is now passed. What have they sent you as per your PM?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

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OK, if I rely on my formal reps doesn't that mean I can't introduce any new appeal points?

No, you can submit further points before the hearing: you can also respond to any points raised by the Council in their aevidence pack.
Done online.
2 questions, can the scheduled appeal be changed and option to have someone represent me changed?

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The original NOR is now passed. What have they sent you as per your PM?
@Hippocrates terrible timing, if only you were here 10 minutes earlier.
I pm'd you on the 22d then I emailed you an update as you requested in your PM of the 24th.

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2 questions, can the scheduled appeal be changed and option to have someone represent me changed?

Yes and Yes.

Follow Hippocrates' advice.

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2 questions, can the scheduled appeal be changed and option to have someone represent me changed?

Yes and Yes.

Follow Hippocrates' advice.
I got the email confirmation with 'The tribunal will consider your appeal and let you know if it is accepted within 7 days'  :'(
I will once I get some...  :'(
« Last Edit: July 27, 2025, 09:40:14 pm by markie76 »

The original NOR is now passed. What have they sent you as per your PM?
@Hippocrates terrible timing, if only you were here 10 minutes earlier.
I pm'd you on the 22d then I emailed you an update as you requested in your PM of the 24th.

Please tell me what you have done and written.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

The original NOR is now passed. What have they sent you as per your PM?
@Hippocrates terrible timing, if only you were here 10 minutes earlier.
I pm'd you on the 22d then I emailed you an update as you requested in your PM of the 24th.

Please tell me what you have done and written.
I registered an appeal;
Ground(s)for appeal: No contravention
Reason for appeal: Contravention did not occur.

Have you provided evidence that they extended the discount in writing?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Have you provided evidence that they extended the discount in writing?
Stop compiling War and Peace.

AT THIS STAGE registering your appeal requires nothing more than 'Contravention did not occur' and you rely on your formal reps.

Didn't know I had to - H C Andersen's post above says my "appeal requires nothing more than 'Contravention did not occur'"

Clearly day 1 is 26th June. You had a NOR. Then communicate again with them. I hope the Tribunal accept it as it is late if you cannot provide further evidence re their extension.

Sorry, I am not a one-man-band and have a life outside of helping people - just! In fact, I am taking most of August off.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Clearly day 1 is 26th June. You had a NOR. Then communicate again with them. I hope the Tribunal accept it as it is late if you cannot provide further evidence re their extension.

Sorry, I am not a one-man-band and have a life outside of helping people - just! In fact, I am taking most of August off.
With all due respect all the experts on FTLA who give up their own time to help others in trouble do a wonderful job and are much appreciated.
You offered to help on the 20th which I accepted then not hearing anything further on the 22nd posted on the thread again.
Then I PM'd you on the 24th as I was getting stressed not hearing any further.
As per your PM on the 25th I emailed you an update and again nothing until today the 27th.
You can't help everyone even though you might like to, but if you do offer to help please don't leave them in the dark stressing out & missing deadlines.

Clearly day 1 is 26th June. You had a NOR.....

As someone not versed in parking appeals procedure, no there is no 'clearly' about it and since the letter simply states 'end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of which the NOR is served.' - pure gobbledegook to the ordinary man in the street. Add to that the decline of Royal Mail standards, when you actually receive your post is becomming a lottery anyway.

I suppose I should upload to the appeal, the email reply dated 21JUL25 stating the discount period has been reset which made me believe the '28 day period' had also.
Although another seriously stressed part of me is now seriously considering paying the discount to make this just go away.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2025, 10:39:47 pm by markie76 »