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hi all,

really grateful for any help on this. I was parked in a suspended bay on my road, the sign was 2-3 houses away (pic attached, red car is mine). I appealed it on the basis the sign was far from the suspended bay (even though it is the nearest lamppost), and said it was insufficient signage and that another one should have been placed on the other side of the suspended bay. I also mentioned having a newborn baby so I never leave the house/have no time to look at signs with a crying baby who needs to be rushed inside the house. Obviously, Camden rejected this, they said the sign is 10metres away. I was wondering on whether I have any chance of disputing at the London tribunals on this basis? is 10m reasonable?

GSV link: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Nm9evYVZ7hXGC6Kq7

On another note, I was googling around and came across a thread that says most signs "don't comply with s.64 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 as it is neither prescribed by regulations nor authorised by the Secretary of State". This was from 2010. Does this still apply in 2025 or have Camden actually bothered to comply now/get authorisation?

Thank you for any replies!

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Please post a GSV link to the location, telling us exactly where you parked. Your photo shows a suspension sign on the same pole as the bay restriction sign, so seems correctly placed, but until we can mozy around on HSV it's difficult to give a final opinion.

Please also post the PCN
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Please post a GSV link to the location, telling us exactly where you parked. Your photo shows a suspension sign on the same pole as the bay restriction sign, so seems correctly placed, but until we can mozy around on HSV it's difficult to give a final opinion.

Please also post the PCN
Done, thanks!

We need to see your challenge and their rejection.

A lot of parked cars then so may have taken people by surprise as one day suspension on 27 Feb outside 16-18.

When did you park there before 27 Feb as you may have been in bay when sign went up. 

Camden has a suspension warning email you can sign up to:
https://accountforms.camden.gov.uk/parking-bay-suspensions-search-and-alerts/

and a map of current/planned suspensions:
https://opendata.camden.gov.uk/Transport/Camden-Parking-Suspensions-Map/2syn-p56x






We need to see your challenge and their rejection.

A lot of parked cars then so may have taken people by surprise as one day suspension on 27 Feb outside 16-18.

When did you park there before 27 Feb as you may have been in bay when sign went up. 

Camden has a suspension warning email you can sign up to:
https://accountforms.camden.gov.uk/parking-bay-suspensions-search-and-alerts/

and a map of current/planned suspensions:
https://opendata.camden.gov.uk/Transport/Camden-Parking-Suspensions-Map/2syn-p56x







Thanks, here is my appeal:

Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to formally appeal the penalty charge notice issued on 27th February 2025 at 7:30 AM. I believe this penalty was unfairly issued for the following reasons:
1. Inadequate Signage: The single warning sign that was posted is located 2-3 houses away from the suspended parking area, making it difficult to notice (please see the image timestamped for 7:49am). If signs had been placed on lampposts either side of the suspended area, it would have been noticeable that parking restrictions applied to the area in between. The lack of sufficient signage, especially in areas where the lamppost is far from the affected space, makes it unreasonable to expect drivers to be fully aware of the restriction. Notably, we were not the only vehicle parked in the area at the time, and observed throughout the day that several other cars had also parked in the suspended space, further demonstrating that the placement of the sign was ineffective.

2. Personal Circumstances: We have been residents of this area for over 5 years with no prior penalty charge notices, and we are always diligent in checking road signs. However, due to the recent arrival of our newborn, we rarely leave the house (less than once a week). When we do drive, our attention is often diverted to caring for our crying or fussing baby, which limits our ability and time to observe any parking signs as we often rush to take her into the house. Additionally, we have not passed the area where the sign was posted, as the car approached from Pilgrims Road and the sign was not clearly visible from where we parked (this is why it is crucial to have more than one sign to wholly cover the suspended area).

3. No Obstruction Caused: The penalty notice was issued at 7:30am, but we vacated the parking space at 7:51am (please see timestamped image at 7:51am). The removals van arrived at 12:21pm (please see timestamped image at 12:21pm), which demonstrates that my vehicle was not in the way at the time the van required the space (my neighbour spoke with the civil enforcement officer at the time and was informed that the reason for the restriction was for a van). Thus, no obstruction or inconvenience was caused by our car.

Given these circumstances, I kindly request that you reconsider and cancel the penalty charge notice. We are honest and responsible residents with a clean record who removed the car immediately upon learning of the restriction (a mere 21 minutes after the PCN was issued). Moreover, the signage was insufficient and we have not driven nor walked past the sign since it was displayed.
Thank you for your understanding and consideration.


Their reply attached as images. I noticed in their reply he said the restricted bay was house 14-16, but it was actually 16-18....not sure if this helps anything.

Think I last parked on 17th Feb. Not sure when the restriction sign went up!

Thank you!

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There are two bay signs either side of 16-18, but it seems only one had the suspension sign, the one opposite No 22. In this situation the council really should have placed a suspension notice on both signs because the suspension is in the middle of that part of the bay lying between Nos 12 and 22. A motorist parking and then proceeding to his residence has a right to rely on a sign that applies to the bay where he parked. Does this fit your circumstances ? This could well be a win at London Tribunals if it does.

@Incandescent I live at number 15, on the opposite side of the road. I drove up the road which means I never physically passed the warning/suspension sign. If they had put one up either side, I would have seen the one outside house 10/12. I made the same point to Camden but they weren’t interested! Do you think this is reasonable grounds for the tribunal? Thanks!

Suspension signs must be erected only on the side the suspension applies to. However you parked on the even-numbered side, so it was your duty as a motorist to check the sign nearest to where you parked and that would have been the one outside No 12. You are not expected to tramp the streets looking for suspension signs. The one nearest to where you parked is sufficient.

You haven't posted-up their letter rejecting your reps, so please do so. I expect it will be the usual Fob-Off letter we see so often. However, the bottom line is that if you want to take this all the way, you now have to wait for the Notice to Owner, and submit reps again, this time more informed than your first, emphasising no sign on the bay sign near where you parked. This means you have to risk the full PCN penalty, although they may re-offer it when replying. The ultimate destination is London Tribunals, where you have a good case but we can never predict an adjudication.



If you parked on 17 Feb then the suspension probably went up after you parked. They usually have a log of cars in bay when signs go up.

I'd be inclined to go on with this. Did you check the car at any time after 17 Feb til 27 Feb?

Camden also has a poor record with signing suspensions.

Don't forget to sign up for suspension alerts on Camden's site.



@Incandescent many thanks for your reply. The letter from Camden rejecting my appeal is in the images on post number 4. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on it.

Yes, sorry, what I meant before was, I live at number 15, which means I parked up, crossed the road to go into my house which does not entail passing the sign at no. 22. I will have a look tomorrow at the distances between the lampposts and where I parked, I think it’s a close call as to which one is closer.

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@stamfordman i guess there is no way to ask them to check the logs? I didn’t check anything between 17-27th Feb, as I mentioned in my appeal, I barely leave the house as I have a baby now who takes up all my time!

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OP, I find that getting the simple facts in play straight up always helps.

I parked on 17 Feb, my position being as shown in the council's photos;

As can be inferred, I approached the location travelling from Pilgrim's Lane;

As regards the location, the nearest traffic signs are situated o/s nos. 12 and 22.

My approach meant that I passed the traffic sign o/s no. 12;

A sign conveying the suspension was placed on the traffic sign o/s no. 22.

There was no such sign on the other traffic sign o/s no. 12.

The parking place is not internally divided into parking spaces.

Is this correct?

Issues for me:
If the signs were erected after 17th then you wouldn't have seen it or them, so how does this affect any 'there should have been 2' argument?
Is the (what I believe is correct) duty to place two signs which span the area a strict requirement irrespective of whether you parked before or after;
How could the above be put to the authority for best effect?