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Hi all,

Earlier this month I received a PCN for a bus lane infringement. In the photo evidence TFL provided it is clear that another car on the other side of the road is infringing on my main carriageway. I have made the case that I was momentarily in the bus lane to avoid a collision and submitted a representation to the TFL citing relevant highway code guidance etc (images clearly show my vehicle leaving the bus lane when the hazard has cleared).

They responded to my representation classing it as 'informal' but made no reference to my evidence. They merely stated that the cameras are there to prove place and time and that it was my responsibility not to be in the bus lane.

Apparently if I want to make a formal representation I need to let it go to the enforcement letter stage? I am wondering if this means I will be on the hook for £160 if I am unsuccessful?

I have attached the initial PCN letter, my appeal, and some images to illustrate my case. Any advice welcome on how to proceed/ chances of success!

TIA.

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Please post their response letter.
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Quote from: Incandescent on July 04, 2025, 11:40:16 am
Please post their response letter.

Hi sorry see attached!

Thanks

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Basically, their letter states the grounds of your representations, but then totally fails to address them, so they have "failed to consider". They are under a duty to consider your reps but have failed to so, so you could wait for the Enforcement Notice and submit them again. This would mean foregoing the discount option. There are, however, techical grounds for taking them all the way, but these will be suggested by two of our contributors, so wait a bit.
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Thanks for your reply. Yes I was of the same opinion, they merely restated their case and failed to properly consider or justify their dismissal of my representation.

Thanks for confirming if I wait for the enforcement letter I will lose the option of a discount..

I feel like I have a reasonable case here but I am first timer so might just be blind optimism.
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Just stand firm. I have won all cases v TFL bus lanes in the last year - some of them they did not turn up, messed up evidence or caved in.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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When you say stand firm, what stage are you referring to? After you submit representations after enforcement letter and then going to an adjudicator?

I’m trying to get an understanding of what to expect in the process beyond where. TIA!
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I say do not pay and follow the process. Trust us please. I will guide and help you throughout.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Bus lane violation TFL - main carriageway infringement challenge
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Thanks Hippocrates, I appreciate the offer. I will wait for the enforcement letter and revert back.
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Quote from: Hippocrates on July 08, 2025, 09:14:07 pm
I say do not pay and follow the process. Trust us please. I will guide and help you throughout.

Hi Hippocrates,

I have now received the enforcement letter. Do you think I should resubmit my representation (shared above) for proper consideration or is there a specific template or wording you would recomend?

Thanks in advance!
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Let' see it first. I will dig out my technical arguments later and then do a draft for you. Here is my original which I will tweak accordingly:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-bus-lane-contravention-n-circular-rd-btw-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg30167/#msg30167
« Last Edit: July 30, 2025, 01:22:43 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Quote from: Hippocrates on July 30, 2025, 01:12:24 pm
Let' see it first. I will dig out my technical arguments later and then do a draft for you. Here is my original which I will tweak accordingly:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-bus-lane-contravention-n-circular-rd-btw-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg30167/#msg30167

Hi Hippocrates,

Thanks for your response. Please see attached the enforcement letter along with the representation I made earlier which was not really acknowledged.

Let me know if you need anything else.

Thanks again!

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Quote from: Hippocrates on July 30, 2025, 01:12:24 pm
Let' see it first. I will dig out my technical arguments later and then do a draft for you. Here is my original which I will tweak accordingly:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-bus-lane-contravention-n-circular-rd-btw-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg30167/#msg30167

Hi Hippocrates,

Just checking in to see if this argument applies to my case and whether I should lift it or if you had any relevant tweaks.

Many thanks in advance!

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Quote from: Hippocrates on July 30, 2025, 01:12:24 pm
Let' see it first. I will dig out my technical arguments later and then do a draft for you. Here is my original which I will tweak accordingly:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-bus-lane-contravention-n-circular-rd-btw-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg30167/#msg30167

Hi Hippocrates,

I have received a notice of rejection from TFL. Attached is the letter.

Please could you advise as to the best next step, is a tribunal worth pursuing here?

TIA
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The whole thang please.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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