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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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Please help others to help you by posting the complete letter of rejection and all sides of the Enforcement Notice.

Only redact your name & address from documents - leave all else in.

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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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Quote from: John U.K. on December 18, 2025, 01:11:05 pm
Please help others to help you by posting the complete letter of rejection and all sides of the Enforcement Notice.

Only redact your name & address from documents - leave all else in.

I did post on imgpile and put the link on too. Do you want me to do something else? Thanks.
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #47 on: »
https://cdn.imgpile.com/p/PnmwnCn only has part of the first page of the rejection.

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Quote from: JulianV on December 16, 2025, 05:52:39 pm
Havering have now sent the Enforcement Notice.  . . .

Which is posted where?
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #48 on: »
Ok got it, I hope everything you need is here:

https://cdn.imgpile.com/p/LUYDB6G
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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The letter is complete tosh. There is no legal clause that bars one from paying the discount if reps are submitted. At any time within the discount period, a PCN recipient has the right in law to pay at the discounted rate. If it were me, I'd now take them all the way to London Tribunals, and put this letter in as an example of this mendacious council.
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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A -  The alleged Contravention did not occur
B I was not the owner of the vehicle at the time of contravention
-  I had sold the vehicle before that date
-  I had bought the vehicle after that date
-  I have never owned that vehicle
C -  The vehicle was taken without my consent
D -  We are a hire firm and have supplied details
E -  The Penalty Charge exceeds the relevant amount
F -  There has been a procedural impropriety by the Enforcement Authority
G -  The traffic order contravened is invalid
H -  The Notice should not have been served because the Penalty Charge had already been paid
I -  Other
Additional Information

*****

Back later with full and frank formal representations. The "grounds" in red are for the birds.

« Last Edit: December 20, 2025, 08:18:08 am by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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In my last post I sdvised taking the matter to London Tribunals, but forgot to mention that with Havering demanding the full penalty, it's about time they had to do some real work by the OP registering an appeal at LT, when this mendacious letter can also be presented. Nothing to lose.

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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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I imagine I have to make a representation in response to the Enforcement Notice before proceeding to the LT? In that case, can you draft what I should write please? Thanks.
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #53 on: »
Dear Havering

I require you to consider my initial challenge as formal representations against the EN. In addition, the video does not support the alleged contravention as there is no evidence of any upright signage allegedly passed and the signage as seen is not fit for purpose. Please cancel therefore.

Yours
« Last Edit: December 22, 2025, 08:15:56 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #54 on: »
I know you guys are the experts but that seems very minimal?
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #55 on: »
Quote from: JulianV on December 22, 2025, 07:35:58 pm
I know you guys are the experts but that seems very minimal?

Well, I have a 90% track record at the Tribunal, which would be more if I had had a different adjudicator for some cases. Further, I have a 100% track record for getting tickets cancelled before going to the Tribunal.

I could pull that letter apart. There is also a procedural error in the EN re the conflation of service and delivery.

Please enlighten me if you have anything further to add in strategic terms. Did you notice the Act cited in the rejection?

The time for criticising constructively is at the Tribunal. I have won every single bus lane case the last 4 years - and many more before that over the last 13 years. And have achieved costs. Two against this very council actually and both bus lane cases.

I am prepared to stick in the point about the service/delivery and leave it at that.

More is less. Less is more. Small is beautiful.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2025, 08:47:58 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #56 on: »
Ok, understood.

Just to be super clear - On the Making Representations page, I should tick the "There was no breach...." box and the enter the text you suggested?
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #57 on: »
Correct and screenshot the page first with all the wrong grounds I have highlighted in red - BUT do not mention this
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #58 on: »
Im a little confused...

The only way to make a representation appears to be in writing. Do you want me to print something and send that with my written representation?
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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Quote from: JulianV on December 23, 2025, 06:21:21 pm
Im a little confused...

The only way to make a representation appears to be in writing. Do you want me to print something and send that with my written representation?

Go on their website: www.havering.gov.uk/parking and click on appeal link for moving traffic/bus lane, yellow box etc. contraventions. Make a pdf and send. Keep a record of everything please.

https://www.havering.gov.uk/parking-2/parking-tickets-traffic-fines/2

https://www.havering.gov.uk/parking-2/parking-tickets-traffic-fines/6

https://www.havering.gov.uk/parking-2/parking-tickets-traffic-fines/2
« Last Edit: December 23, 2025, 09:56:05 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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