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Can anyone help me out with this Penalty , images uploaded

I have received it the other day in Wimbledon when went to pick my friend from station, I never been there and was new to area
I took left turn to a small road where there was bus lane and got penalty . There were 2 lane on that small road, I was in the right lane which was supposed to be not bus lane but it was giving sign of only left turn and I wanted to go straight, hence I reverse my car as got confused and changed the lane to left, which was difficult to understand if it was bus lane as it goes straight and I wanted to go straight too. eventually got penalty of going in ? Bus lane

Any advice appreciated , I have attached PCN too

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Re: Bus lane Penalty
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Please tell us where this is by posting a GSV link. I can't seem to find anything looking like the photos you have posted on GSV !

Re: Bus lane Penalty
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Please also post PCN number and Reg Mark. This will enable the experts here to view Merton's evidence.

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@Incandescent

Found it!

I think it may be far enough from The Broadway to void the PCN for wrong location?

But we need to see the video to pinpoint the location of the car at the time alleged. At 14:20:33 the vehicle is - where? The Council evidence has a comment about the location?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zfJneRdJDtFzv7436
« Last Edit: August 19, 2025, 07:01:23 am by John U.K. »

Re: Bus lane Penalty
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PCN # MT01544199

REG # YK65SWO

It was really difficult to understand the road, no sign posted to direct unless i missed accidently

Can I APPEAL ?

Re: Bus lane Penalty
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Yes you can. I'll draft something ater
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: Bus lane Penalty
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The PCN is surely void because the location is given as Queens Road/Jn with Broadway, which is a considerable distance away as far as I can make out.  Wrong location is fatal to a postal PCN.

Re: Bus lane Penalty
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Thank you ever so much , please do
Appreciate your Help

Re: Bus lane Penalty
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https://www.merton.gov.uk/streets-parking-transport/parking/pcn/moving-traffic

Link above re CCTV cameras.

This is a moving traffic contravention not a bus lane one.

I'll look at the video in a minute. And I have a novel technical argument re the PCN wording........

Question: when do you think they can increase the price? 28 days from the date  of the Notice or from the date of service? When you answer this I will do my technical draft.

Meanwhile:

1. Please go their website as if to pay because it will have wrong grounds re the representation page. Please screenshot it and save.

Representation Grounds*

Select all that apply, you have the opportunity to add additional information on the next screen.

Any other ground

I was not the owner of the vehicle

Procedural impropriety

The contravention did not occur

The order was invalid

The pcn has been paid

The penalty charge exceeded the amount

The vehicle was taken without my consent

We are a hire firm

Registered Keeper*

Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle? Please choose an option from the list below.

I am the registered keeper of this vehicle

I was the driver at the time of the contravention

I was not the registered keeper of this vehicle at the time of the contravention

I am not, and have never been, the registered keeper of this vehicle

We are a Hire and Lease Company

2. The video does not support the alleged contravention because it does not show any signage allegedly passed.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2025, 09:48:22 pm by Hippocrates »
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: Bus lane Penalty
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Hello ,

I have have earlier replied in the morning for you below queries. I don's understand why It wasn't delivered .

The original penalty is 160£ if paid within a month , if paid within 14 days its 80£. The date of notice is 07/08/2025 and this way its day 14 today. Penalty charge will be double to 320£ after a month.

I am the registered keeper of the car.

I went on the website but it doesn't ask me questions that you mentioned below on the payment section. It directly takes me to bank details after 2 pages . I have taken the screen shot and attached below if it helps

Many thanks 

IT DOES NOT GIVE ME THESE OPTIONS IN PAYMENT SECTION

Representation Grounds*

Select all that apply, you have the opportunity to add additional information on the next screen.

Any other ground

I was not the owner of the vehicle

Procedural impropriety

The contravention did not occur

The order was invalid

The pcn has been paid

The penalty charge exceeded the amount

The vehicle was taken without my consent

We are a hire firm

Registered Keeper*

Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle? Please choose an option from the list below.

I am the registered keeper of this vehicle

I was the driver at the time of the contravention

I was not the registered keeper of this vehicle at the time of the contravention

I am not, and have never been, the registered keeper of this vehicle

Re: Bus lane Penalty
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Hello Good morning ,

Can you please draft me something to appeal as I believe its day 14th today and after that I have to pay full penalty 160£. If any further question please let me know . I appreciate your help
Waiting


Many thanks

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Representation page:

https://parking.merton.gov.uk/PCNs/Ticket/MakeChallenge/1

You have not answered my question. But, here we go and, BEFORE you submit, screenshot the representation page with the wrong grounds as advised:


1. The video does not support the alleged contravention because it does not show any signage allegedly passed.

2. I make this collateral challenge against the validity of the PCN as it is missing mandatory information as provided at Para. 4 (8 ) (v) of


https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased

charge may be payable.

Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):

(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning

with the date of the notice;

Therefore, it follows that the statement: "If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable” adds to the lack of clarity by its omission. Even on its own, whether the required information was included or not, it is also arguable that it conflates the two periods using the word "or" which many would view as being conjunctive. Furthermore, even if the statement were to be interpreted disjunctively, there is still no clarity due to the missing information. So, it follows that it cannot possibly be interpreted disjunctively.

In light of the above, I ask that the PCN be cancelled.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2025, 09:00:21 am by Hippocrates »
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

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Sorry did I miss to answer any of your questions ?

I am the registered keeper and the driver at the time of convention

Any other question i haven't answer accidently please let me know


Thank you

Re: Bus lane Penalty
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Also what do you mean by representation page?

I am attaching these below , thats what i see when enter PCN details in payment section, nothing more

Regards

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I see my link has expired. Make a representation link, name address etc, then the page as per my grounds listed above. I have done it anyway.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

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Many thanks