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Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #15 on: »
Thank you.

I have submitted a challenge via the council website and will update you as soon as I have heard back.

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #16 on: »
Thank you.

I have submitted a challenge via the council website and will update you as soon as I have heard back.
Please confirm the challenge was/is verbatim.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #17 on: »
It is verbatim.

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #18 on: »
Good Afternoon,

I have received a letter from Barking & Dagenham council advising that the challenge against the bus lane PCN has been rejected.

What would the next steps be?

They have advised in the letter that "if you are the owner or registered keeper of the vehicle and still wish to make representations against the PCN then you should not pay the charge. Instead you should respond to the enforcement notice that will be sent to you in due course"

From previous messages, this was anticipated anyway and the first challenge would be rejected, so I guess nothing surprising here?

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #19 on: »
Hi.  Please show us what they wrote and we will advise further.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #20 on: »
Please find the challenge decline letter attached.

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Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #21 on: »
Wait for the Enforcement Notice and do  nothing in the meantime.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #22 on: »
Wait for the Enforcement Notice and do  nothing in the meantime.
+1, do this.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #23 on: »
Good Afternoon,

I have received the enforcement notice through the post now.

Please advise on the next step :)

Many thanks.

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #24 on: »
Please show it all and we will do another draft.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #25 on: »
Please find all pages of enforcement notice attached for your review.

Many thanks.

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Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #26 on: »
Dear Barking and Dagenham

I require you to consider my informal challenge as my formal representations against the Enforcement Notice which was:

Dear Sirs

Ref:  PCN no. BZ80352064  VRM GV62 KBZ

I make this initial submission against the PCN as follows:

1.  The PCN does not state the exact locus of the alleged contravention.

2.  The video evidence shows no relevant warning signage allegedly passed by the vehicle concerned.

3.  Unless you can provide me with strict proof that the camera has the correct VCA certificate to satisfy the criterion of admissibility of evidence at the Tribunal as provided at para. 7(2) of Schedule I of the London Local Authorities Act 1996(as amended), there was no breach.

Therefore, in view of the above, please cancel the PCN as you have not proved the alleged contravention.


In addition to the above, I make these further representations:

4. The Enforcement Notice conflates service with delivery. Service and delivery are two different concepts. Further, the law is silent with regard to delivery.

5. The Enforcement Notice wrongly limits the number of grounds on which to make representations as stated at para. 2(1) as provided at Schedule 1 to the London Local Authorities Act 1996 (as amended).

6. The Enforcement Notice very clearly limits the available ground provided at para. 2(4)(c) to theft whereas it does not take into account the possibility of a friend or relative using the vehicle and that person may well not be reported to the Police.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN and EN forthwith.

Yours

Reg. keeper


*******

Let's see what their response is.  As I said, I am more than happy to go the full distance and pay the £65 if I lose.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2024, 11:03:58 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #27 on: »
Good Evening,

I have received a response from Barking & Dagenham.

I was away so I have only just picked this up in the post.

Please find the response attached for your review.

Many thanks.

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #28 on: »
Apologies, I have tried uploading the response as attachments but it is saying the upload file is full...I tried uploading the full response and also just the first page and I am still getting the same error.

Re: Bus Lane PCN
« Reply #29 on: »
Apologies, I have tried uploading the response as attachments but it is saying the upload file is full...I tried uploading the full response and also just the first page and I am still getting the same error.


As you have discovered, attachment space here is very limited. Please have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

use an external hosting site and post the BBCode here.