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you sold to the motor trade - in which case they may still have the logbook with the address on as this was recent.
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Sorry.

I've emailed the trader to ask if they still have the car/V5C
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or records of it
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Quote from: sng165 on September 28, 2024, 08:39:17 am
Quote from: Incandescent on September 27, 2024, 06:39:58 pm

With bailiffs now instructed, the only avenue open to you now is to submit an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration that you didn't receive the PCN, and explain why.
Meanwhile with the amount claimed, (£170) it would be prudent to pay this now, to get bailiff action to cease. Paying the bailiff has no effect whatsoever on whether your OOT SD will succeed or not, and you then won't get a visit and £235 added to the bailiff bill.


I've found forms TE7 & TE9 this morning & think I now understand:
If after the 7 days grace, they still haven't made any decision, I pay the £175 (reluctantly), but submit the Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration forms, (I assume this is free to do?) & then the Traffic Enforcement Centre decide whether I get some/all of my Penalty monies back ?
Don't even think about submitting an Out of Time Witness Statement application until you have the facts straightened out. And I for one am not happy that we have all the facts. EG the DVLA email is misleading, updating your direct debit mandate would not normally update the V5c registration doc. And we haven't seen the enforcement agent's (aka bailiff) notice.

You only have one shot at the OOT and if it's rejected it may well not be economic to get it reviewed.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2024, 10:54:10 am by Enceladus »
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The car VRM would tell us something immediately but the OP is reluctant to help himself. We haven't even seen the enforcement notice.
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Quote from: sng165 on September 28, 2024, 08:03:08 am
Quote from: stamfordman on September 27, 2024, 10:20:01 pm
Who did you sell the car to and what is the VRM.

What council is the PCN from and what is the reference on the letter.

Sorry I don't see what relevance this is?
I know Stamf has already  addressed this but, you should know questions are asked for a reason ie we now know you sold the vehicle to the trade. so it can be logged with dvla as "in trade" so nothing happens re the RK details on the current V5. also info can be obtained from the VRM.
so if asked please answer questions posed in order to help you.
re posting docs. it is explained quite clearly to use an external host. imgur or such like.
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Re: Bus lane fine for old car sent to old address
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I'm sorry I'm struggling to load the paperwork. I've never used anything like Imgur. A friend has helped me -- please try this link

https://imgur.com/a/0m64aby[/img]
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Quote from: sng165 on September 28, 2024, 12:39:54 pm
I'm sorry I'm struggling to load the paperwork. I've never used anything like Imgur. A friend has helped me -- please try this link

https://imgur.com/a/0m64aby[/img]

You're not struggling to blank out all the details though!
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I'm sorry - it said to de-personalise

Anyway I think I've got the hang of this document thing now - see the new attached - THIS shows the vehicle (if you want anything else let me know - sorry)



I had a flash of inspiration & thought I'd check on the vehicle tax/MOT & it appears it's not been sold since we traded it in - well it still untaxed
Note the date the last V5C was issued on the attached - 19th Dec 2022 (we moved house on the 16th Dec!!) So it all ties in with our change of address & the email. That last V5C should have contained our NEW address.
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When posting documents it's only necessary to redact your own name and address. Please make sure that you leave everything else visible. Especially dates, times, reference numbers, vehicle registration, locations and the like. All as per the instruction in the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post.

Otherwise it's like getting blood from a stone.

Was the Notice of Enforcement from Newlyn sent to you at your current address or was it forwarded from the old address?

Anyway the deadline seems to have been the 26th September and today is the 28th. So you don't have any leeway to mess around.
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now you know why Stamf asked for the Reg No  ;)
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Quote from: Enceladus on September 28, 2024, 01:31:50 pm
When posting documents it's only necessary to redact your own name and address. Please make sure that you leave everything else visible. Especially dates, times, reference numbers, vehicle registration, locations and the like. All as per the instruction in the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post.

Otherwise it's like getting blood from a stone.

Was the Notice of Enforcement from Newlyn sent to you at your current address or was it forwarded from the old address?

Anyway the deadline seems to have been the 26th September and today is the 28th. So you don't have any leeway to mess around.

I'm loathe to post personal details on the web after being hacked.
 
Anyway you have the documents etc now.
Yes - the Newlyn document was sent to our NEW address - when I called to say it was the first notice I'd had & where had others been sent?, they became abusive & said we could be fined more for not notifying change of address - this is how I came to dig out the old email etc.
I am on 7 days grace with Newlyn pending Manchester City Council replying to my emails (for which I've had a read-receipt!) asking them why they sent documents to my OLD address, and as we never received any of them, would they re-consider the amount due.
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Call the trader and ask them to take a picture of the name and address on the logbook and email it to you.

Or call DVLA and ask them what the name and exact address are.

Something is wrong as in October last year Manchester will have sent the PCN and subsequent letters to this address. But you got nothing. It is possible the council made a mistake.
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Quote from: stamfordman on September 28, 2024, 03:11:57 pm
Call the trader and ask them to take a picture of the name and address on the logbook and email it to you.

Or call DVLA and ask them what the name and exact address are.

Something is wrong as in October last year Manchester will have sent the PCN and subsequent letters to this address. But you got nothing. It is possible the council made a mistake.

The trader has kindly emailed me the V5C !
It shows our NEW address and has done since 19 Dec 2022
Without posting the front page which shows name & address (which you say not to do  :D ) https://imgur.com/a/IFMsqbw
I attach a copy of the V5C - the date 2022 is clearly at the bottom, and I have a copy of the front page showing our NEW address

So why would Manchester City Council send the original documents in October 2023 to our old address!?!?!?
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Have you had any prior driving/parking interaction with Manchester? Even a parking permit?
 
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