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Hi

My son has received this PCN. I have looked at similar posts and none seem to have been positive. I have looked at the below PCN and some things that stand out and may be worth challenging are

There is no contravention code mentioned anywhere - Does the Traffic Management Act dictate this must be included?
It states the contravention as being in a bus lane (during the hours of operation of the bus lane) - Firstly The picture shows this a bus gate and secondly it fails to mention what the hours of operation are.

Can anyone advise if these are valid points ?

Many thanks for your responses.

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Re: Bus lane contravention Bridge street west Manchester
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1. There is no legal requirement for a contravention code

2. Bus gates are enforced as bus lane contraventions. This was decided many years ago in the High Court, even  though the legislation never mentions bus gates.
www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/keycases/R%20%28Oxfordshire%20CC%29%20v%20The%20Bus%20Lane%20Adjudicator%202010.pdf

Please post a GSV link to the location.
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Quote from: Lee74 on September 16, 2025, 11:56:11 am
Hi Thanks for the response

https://maps.app.goo.gl/iYHzzsgXPmUE3sNn6
OK, fine. What was his approach to the bus gate, all along Bridge St, or a turn off a side road, please name it ?
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He came out of St Marys Parsonage and turned right

https://maps.app.goo.gl/iYHzzsgXPmUE3sNn6
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You may wish to edit yr opening post to redact his name & address.
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Done Thanks
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Quote from: Lee74 on September 16, 2025, 12:22:59 pm
He came out of St Marys Parsonage and turned right

https://maps.app.goo.gl/iYHzzsgXPmUE3sNn6
So, there are two advance warning signs: -
Opposite the traffic lights where he turned right
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XZCoJLSDQEjFqEh66
except this can be obscured by buses
https://maps.app.goo.gl/46Rdgyqg6oHrdey49
The sign would have been better placed before the traffic lights, so bad sign positioning, but there is a second sign 30 yards before the restriction signs on Bridge St.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3qv9AeWCEQEyvciw7

So with two advance signs, I think an adjudicator would decide the signage is sufficient. Was your son using satnav ?
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Hi

Yes i think he was, he is a new driver.
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Quote from: Lee74 on September 16, 2025, 05:30:38 pm
Hi

Yes i think he was, he is a new driver.
Fatal on its own in a big city, one must always look out for signs restricting access.
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We need the whole PCN please.
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Re: Bus lane contravention Bridge street west Manchester
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Manchester’s bus lane TRO’s seem to define a bus lane as being bounded by a thick white line but there is no thick white line present. If the bus lane TRO you allegedly contravened uses the same definition, the argument is that the PCN must be cancelled as there is no bus lane in that location as defined by the TRO.
 
I’m guessing that the bus gate is indicated by a round blue sign with a picture of a bus. If so, the sign conveys that the route is restricted for use by buses. Contravening this sign is, according to Govt guidance, a moving traffic contravention and not a bus lane contravention. Therefore the appropriate contravention description is Code 33 - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles.
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Quote from: Hippocrates on September 16, 2025, 09:53:05 pm
We need the whole PCN please.

Hi Apologies I fell ill, Cant seem to modify my post. so attached them below.





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Quote from: Phantomcrusader on September 17, 2025, 02:17:08 pm
Manchester’s bus lane TRO’s seem to define a bus lane as being bounded by a thick white line but there is no thick white line present. If the bus lane TRO you allegedly contravened uses the same definition, the argument is that the PCN must be cancelled as there is no bus lane in that location as defined by the TRO.
I’m guessing that the bus gate is indicated by a round blue sign with a picture of a bus. If so, the sign conveys that the route is restricted for use by buses. Contravening this sign is, according to Govt guidance, a moving traffic contravention and not a bus lane contravention. Therefore the appropriate contravention description is Code 33 - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles.

Thanks, How do i get the TRO to check ?
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Im presuming I'm out of luck with this one?
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