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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
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@terminator x I'm sorry you haven't had a reply earlier, unfortunately unless someone PMs me or tags me in the thread (as you did yesterday) I don't have time to check every thread, there's just too many tribunal cases I have to deal with.

I put the traffic order in reply 8 above, it clearly does exist and there are no issues with it that I could identify. That being said, the council website is pants:





This should therefore be an easy win, to see why have a look at the cases on rows 623 to 641 here.

For now you just need to make a representation saying that the alleged contravention did not occur (don't add anything else), we know the council will reject anything you say so there's no point in wasting any time on this. Once you have a notice of rejection it should be a straightforward appeal to the tribunal.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #16 on: »
Super thanks. Contested it today.

TX.
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #17 on: »
What have you written please?
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #18 on: »
Odd this as I contested it, then heard nothing for ages and now they have sent a Charge Certificate having received nothing in between. See below:

https://ibb.co/sjDQxnF
https://ibb.co/Nxcgvqy

Sounds bad. Can anyone help?

TX.

Edit - below is what I sent contesting it (this is the copy they sent me of what I sent them) and as I say they never replied and/or I never got a reply until today.

Contest a Penalty Charge Notice

Dear xxx

Your form has been submitted.

Your case will be placed on hold until you hear from us.

If you need to contact us in the meantime, please quote your PCN notice number and vehicle registration number. To find out more about the appeal process, visit www.richmond.gov.uk/how_to_appeal_pcn

Your reference: FS-Case-641738628

Notice number: RT42129100

Vehicle registration: xxx

Date of issue: 30/05/2024

Location: BROOM PARK TEDDINGTON (CPZ X1)

Explain why you think the PCN should not have been issued: The alleged contravention did not occur

Upload copies of any supporting evidence:

Your details

Title: Mr.

First name: xxx

Last name: xxx

Initials: x

Email: xxx

Address

Postcode:  xxx

Select the address: xxx

Are you the owner of the vehicle: No

Vehicle owner details

Title: Mr

 First name: xxx




 Address

 Postcode: xxx

 Postcode: Select the address: xxx
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #19 on: »
It should be possible to obtain a reset.

While waiting for the experts to come along, have a read of

https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificate-cases-under-the-traffic-management-act-2004-no-original-notic/
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
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@cp8759

Hi there. Do I just need to wait as the link above posted by John UK?

TX.
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
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Are you the owner of the vehicle: No

?

Was the NTO addressed to you? (if so you are the 'owner' at this stage.)

If it was not addressed to you, then the person to whom it was addressed should have signed off the reps. 

Pl clarify.

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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
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@terminator x in the first instance call the council on 020 8891 1411 and ask if a notice of rejection has been issued. If it has, ask for the date that it was sent and whether they can email you a copy.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
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Quote from: H C Andersen on November 26, 2024, 09:16:39 pm
Are you the owner of the vehicle: No

?

Was the NTO addressed to you? (if so you are the 'owner' at this stage.)

If it was not addressed to you, then the person to whom it was addressed should have signed off the reps. 

Pl clarify.

Hi there.

It is my sons car with me driving it on the day; he still lives at home so letters would come there. Just about to call them as cp8759 has suggested.

TX.
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #24 on: »
Sorry OP, you were wrong.

The NTO makes clear: do not pass to the driver, the recipient only may make reps.

As you say, phoning the council is necessary, for all we know they could simply have disregarded what you submitted.
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
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Quote from: terminator x on November 27, 2024, 01:07:36 pm
Quote from: H C Andersen on November 26, 2024, 09:16:39 pm
Are you the owner of the vehicle: No

?

Was the NTO addressed to you? (if so you are the 'owner' at this stage.)

If it was not addressed to you, then the person to whom it was addressed should have signed off the reps. 

Pl clarify.

Hi there.

It is my sons car with me driving it on the day; he still lives at home so letters would come there. Just about to call them as cp8759 has suggested.

TX.

Ok interesting, the chap I spoke to says that their records don't indicate if the NoR was emailed or posted so he couldn't say if it was or not. He suggested I email them and explain the situation as I did over the phone.

TX.
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
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Quote from: H C Andersen on November 27, 2024, 01:23:36 pm
Sorry OP, you were wrong.

The NTO makes clear: do not pass to the driver, the recipient only may make reps.

As you say, phoning the council is necessary, for all we know they could simply have disregarded what you submitted.

Ok understood, didn't realize that at the time.

TX.
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #27 on: »
The council shouldn't even be talking to you about this* unless the registered keeper has authorised you to be their representative and notified the council accordingly.

*- the niceties of data protection if nothing else. Legally you are a stranger to these proceedings.
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
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Quote from: H C Andersen on November 27, 2024, 01:46:49 pm
The council shouldn't even be talking to you about this* unless the registered keeper has authorised you to be their representative and notified the council accordingly.

*- the niceties of data protection if nothing else. Legally you are a stranger to these proceedings.

I just pretended to be him + I have all the paperwork.

TX.
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #29 on: »
I'm unclear. Do you accept that you cannot insinuate yourself into these proceedings or not? 

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