Author Topic: Bromley Council - Entering and stopping in a box junction, Station Rd/Access Rd Station Car Park, Sidcup  (Read 3563 times)

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Hi,

I had a PCN for this recently. There is the added issue that it was sent to my ex's address and so I did not see it until after the 28 days to pay had passed. I haven't made any contact about it yet.

I will upload the image of the PCN after I have edited out personal details.

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This was over a month ago, but I do vaguely recall what happened. There is a traffic light ahead and the single lane becomes two before it comes to them.
I wanted to be in the mostly empty right hand lane. As I approached I could see the traffic as the lights turned red and the traffic coming to a stop. From where I was, it looked as if they would all move forward enough for me to clear the junction. You can even see in the video that the car directly in front of mine had more room to go forward. As it turned out, one or more vehicles did not roll forward quite as much as I'd expected, and even if one had taken the right hand lane, I would have had more than enough room.
Even so, I did pass the actual junction and did not cause any obstruction and a vehicle is able to very easily pass behind me.

I hope somebody can help. Thank you.

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Please set your Google Drive links to 'Public'; at the moment they cannot be viewed.

Please also tell us why the PCN was sent to your ex's address. As you only received the PCN after the 28 days has expired, this period also closes off any option to submit representations. How late are you ?

Councils may accept late reps but are not legally bound to. An enforcement document called a Charge Certificate that adds 50% to the penalty may already be on its way to you. I therefore strongly urge you to submit representations asap, so please open up your documents asap too.

1. It's Bexley, not Bromley.
2. Update your V5 with DVLA.
3. Keep checking with your ex re. further posted comms.
4. It's 100m further before the road widens to 2 lanes for the right turn into Longlands.
5. Your best bet is going to be hoping there's something procedurally wrong with the PCN when you upload it.

Sorry. The links should be viewable now.
Thanks for the responses.

Unfortunately I was completely ignorant about the V5 form. I never got one when I first got the car it seems. There isn't one among all my vehicle documents and I even have the reciept.
I have kept my driver's licence and insurance addresses up to date, and just had no idea that this was a thing until now. So I have sent off for one and am updating that too.

I was stopped by police once and they got my address through insurance. Even then there was no mention of this form.

As the council will have obtained your ex's name and address from the DVLA record for the vehicle registration number, it looks like your ex holds the V5C. Alternatively, the V5C is registered to your ex at a previous address and it has been posted on by the person now living there. If the vehicle is hired or leased, the hire/leasing firm can pass on the name and address of the lessor on the date of the contravention.

So it's all a bit of a puzzle, unless you can tell us more.

I interpreted it as the OP is the registered owner, but the registered address is from when they used to live with their 'ex'.

OP please can you confirm.

For those more familiar with such matters, would the OP be able to get the PCN reset by legitimately claiming they did not receive the original PCN (i.e. is receiving it but after it the deadline for payment/challenge has expired the same as not receiving it at all?).

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For those more familiar with such matters, would the OP be able to get the PCN reset by legitimately claiming they did not receive the original PCN (i.e. is receiving it but after it the deadline for payment/challenge has expired the same as not receiving it at all?).
My view is that the regulations impose a time limit on responding to PCNs, (and other enforcement documents too), so if one doesn't receive it until after this statutory period has expired, then essentially it has not been received.

So Yes !

I interpreted it as the OP is the registered owner, but the registered address is from when they used to live with their 'ex'.

OP please can you confirm.

Correct. Although I am still on the mortgage deed, even though I don't live there. Not since 2020.

My ex did not tell me I had any post until I came by (I live over an hours drive away). As far as I knew I had updated all of my information to new addresses.
I have just moved into a new place and been here a month.

I have the PCNs ready now. Attached here.

Thank you for all the replies so far. Hopefully someone can find something.
I found this site. It seems to have good information on it too.
https://www.yellowboxes.co.uk/stolen-space-appeals

I've uploaded the PCN above. I hope somebody who knows about these things can find something.

Possibly this?

Poorly Defined "Other Compelling Reasons"
The PCN mentions:
"We will consider representations made for any other compelling reasons."
This is overly vague and doesn’t clarify what qualifies as "compelling."

This is something the council have put in, as there is no statutory grounds of "compelling reasons". The PCN is only required to list the Statutory Grounds for an appeal.

IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

So could I use something similar to this at all?

(v) that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be
payable;
(vi) the amount of the increased charge;

I don't think it included (vi)

I also don't believe it was delivered by recorded delivery. And I certainly was not the one to accept delivery.

Look at it again - the increased charge is in there (£240).

As for recorded delivery, where is that in the rules?

All that the law requires is delivery by 1st Class post. Of course it is totally out-of-date nowadays and needs updating to reflect the tracking options offered by Royal Mail and others. Will it ever be updated ? I think you know the answer already !
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Look at it again - the increased charge is in there (£240).

As for recorded delivery, where is that in the rules?

Ah yes. You're right. It does mention the increase.

Recorded delivery was mentioned in the case shared above.

Can anyone please offer some advice on how I respond to the PCN or how to proceed?