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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2023, 12:45:52 am »
I would send that off and let's see what they say. If you can't receive post at the address previously given, you can simply require them to serve the response at another address.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2023, 10:32:29 am »
Thanks Hippocrates and CP.  I have submitted the formal challenge to the Enforcement Notice this morning and taken screen shots of it going through.

I'll let you know when I hear back next!

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2023, 12:25:06 pm »
Good to hear.  I was just thinking of sending you a reminder!

As far as I recall, we now have two independent FOIR replies from the VCA confirming that their certificate is effective from 9th August plus the one from the council which states something else.  If you have time, I suggest following up the latter with the council - as I have tried, but still awaiting a definite response.  I hardly think the VCA can be wrong.  But, at the Tribunal, we do not want to be forced with a situation where the adjudicator has to choose which is right, if you get my drift.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know.

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2023, 04:50:20 pm »
If you've given them your new address and they send the NoR to the old one, you can also use Natalia Skorosz v London Borough of Barking and Dagenham (2190347315, 12 October 2019)
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2023, 04:53:45 pm »
Or give them my address and authorise me as previously advised!
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know.

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2023, 06:34:34 pm »
Or give them my address and authorise me as previously advised!
Well any new address will do  :)
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2023, 08:20:11 pm »
Or give them my address and authorise me as previously advised!
Well any new address will do  :)
Yes;   but, I am here all the time!
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know.

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2024, 08:14:52 am »
If you've given them your new address and they send the NoR to the old one, you can also use Natalia Skorosz v London Borough of Barking and Dagenham (2190347315, 12 October 2019)

So I have received the Notice Of Rejection as below and despite me entering my new address when I appealed and including the request the send to my new address when I submitted, they have still sent to my old address.  (It is worth noting that my car is still registered to my old address as I do still own that property, it is just I am not living there day to day at the moment).

The hyperlink in the letter is https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/list-of-certifications-granted-for-approved-devices








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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2024, 09:55:03 am »
E mail sent with details of your what to do list!  This is unbelievable and voracious intransigence. :o
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know.

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2024, 11:52:49 am »
E mail sent with details of your what to do list!  This is unbelievable and voracious intransigence. :o

You almost sound surprised  :D  :D

As discussed, Tribunal appeal submitted.

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2024, 08:10:07 pm »
If they turn up, I am sure we will have a "spirited and lively exchange" (to  cite Lord Cameron).  I cannot wait!
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know.

"Hippocrates"

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2024, 11:52:24 am »
Fast forward to last Friday

So Bromley have rejected my appeal as per the below.

Unbeknownst to me, they submitted a FOI request on my behalf which generated some unsolicited emails from "One Trust". I attach the responses from that as well. The link referred to in the PDF is https://tinyurl.com/bdcur7z3

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That is a manufacturer's certificate only.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know.

"Hippocrates"

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2024, 05:58:04 pm »
And that is what they have filed!  Molon lave.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know.

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2024, 06:12:57 pm »
And that is what they have filed!  Molon lave.
Clearly you have had a classical education !

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2024, 06:28:15 pm »
Indeed.  And I have driven past the pass several times:  Thermopylae. I got quite emotional when I was there.  Same applies to Delphi when I see The Charioteer and the marble columns with the ancient Greek musical notation.

Anyways, I have joined your club. "Hero" by Carey.

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« Last Edit: January 24, 2024, 06:48:25 pm by Hippocrates »
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know.

"Hippocrates"