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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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I would send that off and let's see what they say. If you can't receive post at the address previously given, you can simply require them to serve the response at another address.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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Thanks Hippocrates and CP.  I have submitted the formal challenge to the Enforcement Notice this morning and taken screen shots of it going through.

I'll let you know when I hear back next!

Thanks
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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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Good to hear.  I was just thinking of sending you a reminder!

As far as I recall, we now have two independent FOIR replies from the VCA confirming that their certificate is effective from 9th August plus the one from the council which states something else.  If you have time, I suggest following up the latter with the council - as I have tried, but still awaiting a definite response.  I hardly think the VCA can be wrong.  But, at the Tribunal, we do not want to be forced with a situation where the adjudicator has to choose which is right, if you get my drift.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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If you've given them your new address and they send the NoR to the old one, you can also use Natalia Skorosz v London Borough of Barking and Dagenham (2190347315, 12 October 2019)
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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Or give them my address and authorise me as previously advised!
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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Quote from: Hippocrates on November 25, 2023, 04:53:45 pm
Or give them my address and authorise me as previously advised!
Well any new address will do  :)
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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Quote from: cp8759 on November 25, 2023, 06:34:34 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on November 25, 2023, 04:53:45 pm
Or give them my address and authorise me as previously advised!
Well any new address will do  :)
Yes;   but, I am here all the time!
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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Quote from: cp8759 on November 25, 2023, 04:50:20 pm
If you've given them your new address and they send the NoR to the old one, you can also use Natalia Skorosz v London Borough of Barking and Dagenham (2190347315, 12 October 2019)

So I have received the Notice Of Rejection as below and despite me entering my new address when I appealed and including the request the send to my new address when I submitted, they have still sent to my old address.  (It is worth noting that my car is still registered to my old address as I do still own that property, it is just I am not living there day to day at the moment).

The hyperlink in the letter is
CCTV and recording devices for traffic offences: list of certifications granted
List of certifications granted by the Secretary of State for Transport for approved devices, CCTV and associated evidence-recording equipment.
gov.uk








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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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E mail sent with details of your what to do list!  This is unbelievable and voracious intransigence. :o
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 15, 2024, 09:55:03 am
E mail sent with details of your what to do list!  This is unbelievable and voracious intransigence. :o

You almost sound surprised  :D  :D

As discussed, Tribunal appeal submitted.

Thanks
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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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If they turn up, I am sure we will have a "spirited and lively exchange" (to  cite Lord Cameron).  I cannot wait!
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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Quote from: Martyn21uk on October 09, 2023, 03:07:30 pm
Fast forward to last Friday

So Bromley have rejected my appeal as per the below.

Unbeknownst to me, they submitted a FOI request on my behalf which generated some unsolicited emails from "One Trust". I attach the responses from that as well. The link referred to in the PDF is https://tinyurl.com/bdcur7z3

Views welcomed!







That is a manufacturer's certificate only.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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And that is what they have filed!  Molon lave.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 24, 2024, 05:58:04 pm
And that is what they have filed!  Molon lave.
Clearly you have had a classical education !
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Re: Bromley Code 34J Being in a Bus Lane, Widmore Road
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Indeed.  And I have driven past the pass several times:  Thermopylae. I got quite emotional when I was there.  Same applies to Delphi when I see The Charioteer and the marble columns with the ancient Greek musical notation.

Anyways, I have joined your club. "Hero" by Carey.

No shame, Tommy's first outing: 

I know, Mr Mustard:  totally bonkers! But, the point had been made!
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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