Author Topic: Bristol, Clean air zone (Code 17J), A4 Howell Road - CAZ0001 and Newfoundland Circus - CAZ0025  (Read 1784 times)

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Yes this is correct

Sorry - but what is correct?

The link you originally gave re the A4, or the link I suggested?

The link I sent is where I remember being in the zone, it might not be exactly where I entered it but it's on that road. I am actually unsure on where the 2nd place I entered is

The link I sent is where I remember being in the zone, it might not be exactly where I entered it but it's on that road. I am actually unsure on where the 2nd place I entered is


OK.  You may not have read my post from yesterday, but for the first ticket you must have entered the CAZ here (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4572277,-2.6293299,3a,75y,159.57h,83.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scMtQRG8Ns_EGVwz3FMHMtA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu ) only a couple of hundred yards or so before the link you gave.

Am I right?  The signage appears to be quite clear...(?)


Regarding the Newfoundland Circus ticket, this is a plan of the CAZ.  I don't know how familiar you are with Bristol, but it might help the experts on here if you could point out where you think you must have entered the CAZ.  https://www.cleanairforbristol.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Small-CAZ-D-Final-2021.pdf


(Just to clarify - I don't know Bristol at all and I'm certainly not an expert on parking tickets!)
« Last Edit: October 04, 2023, 04:35:16 pm by ManxTom »

On the map that you've sent, the 2 zones you've marked out are the areas in which I entered the Clean Air Zone.
I do not know Bristol very well I'm afraid. It may have been well sign posted or not, either way I didn't notice or know.

On the map that you've sent, the 2 zones you've marked out are the areas in which I entered the Clean Air Zone.
I do not know Bristol very well I'm afraid. It may have been well sign posted or not, either way I didn't notice or know.

OK.

I'm not sure the link I gave to the detailed plan of the CAZ is working properly(?) but regarding Newfoundland Circus, I think there is advanced warning here: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4609984,-2.5812531,3a,15y,191.66h,96.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGqMTPGQL6Sm4Pd89SHX7Gw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

and I think you must have entered the zone here, when you passed this sign: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4607526,-2.58179,3a,15y,218.62h,91.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEmVe4vBges5izvwUKlpXJg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Whether that signage would be considered sufficient or not I don't know - I'm no expert.  I can certainly understand that if you are on a very busy road in an unfamiliar city then they'd be easy to miss
« Last Edit: October 04, 2023, 05:02:00 pm by ManxTom »

As time is marching on, I think it's time  LizardKing drafted reps based on advice in Reply#14 and posted them here for comment, so the experts can add any extra points.

Can you be liable for plagiarism in this instance? Or is it possible for me to use this exactly as it's stated?

"Dear Bristol City Council,

I challenge liability for PCN ........... on the basis that the penalty demanded exceeds the amount due in the circumstances of the case.

The PCN carries an 0870 premium rate telephone number, and I contend that as in Paul Bateman v Derbyshire County Council (DJ00037-2209, 10 November 2022) this amounts to an excessive demand. While I appreciate other payment methods are available, binding authority from the High Court in the case of London Borough of Camden v The Parking Adjudicator & Ors [2011] EWHC 295 (Admin) determined that where one payment method carries a surcharge, the availability of other payment methods is irrelevant and the penalty demanded is excessive.

It follows that the penalty charge must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,"

Send that off and let's see what they say.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

The PCN is unlawful because it adds on the unpaid RUC charge. There is no power to do this in Regulation 7 of the RUC regulations.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/1783/regulation/7/made
Also stated by Caroline Shepard in an adjudication concerning DART in 2018.

I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order