Author Topic: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day, Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay  (Read 12092 times)

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Many thanks

So basically the same case as me, and they won

Do you think I’ll have to take this to tribunal though

Hi all,

Unsurprisingly they have rejected my appeal. Is it worth taking to tribunal? Their response is attached. Thanks

The next step is a notice to owner to which you make formal reps.

We think they can't have a 'marked bay' without a parking sign.

This in the rejection seems to say it's a permit parking area in part but it's muddle.

« Last Edit: October 29, 2025, 11:12:17 pm by cp8759 »

OP, the traffic sign photo in their reply is out of focus.

What does THIS sign say?

This sign says: Permit holders in
marked bays on event days
10 am - Midnight

Although this sign was NOT in my bay it was in other bays. Not sure why the warden photographed and attached that sign if it’s not in my bay.


« Last Edit: August 27, 2025, 02:52:42 pm by user334232 »

It's a zone repeater sign as I said earlier.

There is a real PPA in a cup de sac nearby that just says permit holders only on event days and there are no bays beyond.

It's a muddle.

So do you think I should just cough up the 80? 😔

I think it's worth going but see what Mr Andersen says.


On ** I parked in a parking bay o/s no. 104/106 Windermere Avenue;
This parking bay extends from 104 to 126 Windermere Avenue;
There are 2 lamp columns situated within the bay, these being numbered 26 and 27;
Neither of these carries a traffic sign regarding parking neither is such a sign displayed anywhere within the bay.

At ** on ** a PCN was attached to my car alleging the following contravention: ********;

On *** I made informal representations that the contravention did not occur which were rejected by letter dated *** which gave as its main reason:

The PCN was issued because the car was parked in a permit space or zone without displaying a valid virtual  or clearly displaying a valid physical permit.

It therefore falls to the authority to prove that I was parked at a location which required the display etc. of a permit. Its evidence in this regard is a sign stating 'Permit holders in marked bays on event days 10 am - Midnight'. It is an irony which cannot be lost on the authority that this sign (which it must be remembered is its evidence) is situated on lamp column no. 25 which is not even situated in the parking bay, but on a lamp column 30m away from the location.

Of course it lies with the authority as judges in their own cause for the moment to reject these representations in the misguided belief that the provisions of s18 of the Local Authorities' Traffic Order (Procedure) Regs do not apply.

I would suggest that an adjudicator would take a different view.

If the authority wishes to enforce the bay o/s 104-126 Windermere Avenue then it is required to place the required traffic sign(s) within the bay (either or both of the otherwise unused lamp columns would suffice) with, in this case, reference to 'Event days'. Without such signage any references to 'Event days' on CPZ signs are irrelevant and cannot as a matter of law create the basis for enforcement of a penalty at the location.

The contravention did not occur.

A bit OTT perhaps, but their complacency and arrogance gets my goat.
 

It's not a CPZ though - it's a 'permit zone'.

There is also the test of whether the event day(s) on the zone entrance can be evidenced by Brent.


Is it Wembley Stadium Event Day zone or Wembley Stadium Permit Zone?

There's no provision for 'Event Day zone' in TSRGD.

The burden is on the council to prove that it may dispense with signs in individual bays by placing Permit Zone signs at vehicle entrances.

And what's in 'marked bays'?

Where can I look to see if they can dispense of bay signs?

'The next step is a notice to owner to which you make formal reps.'

So make formal reps and let the authority justify its position: they have to prove, not you disprove.

Will this not cost me the full £160 (!!!) if they win? Sorry I am unfamiliar with the process

Will this not cost me the full £160 (!!!) if they win? Sorry I am unfamiliar with the process
Well, yes.That is how the process works. The discount is an admittance of the alleged contravention, not just a bonus for early settlement. In the criminal law, pleading guilty usually results in a lighter sentence