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Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
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I suggest these minor amendments. I have brought into the reps the language used in their prior rejection.


The alleged contravention is cited as: "Parked in a car park without clearly displaying a valid pay and display ticket or voucher or parking clock". However, as your initial rejection makes clear, I was parked in your 'Park and Pay by phone facility'and paid for my parking using the Pay by Phone service. which does not require a physical ticket to be displayed. Given that there was no requirement to display a ticket, the correct contravention code should have been: "Parked without payment of the parking charge." As I complied with the parking terms by paying via phone, this penalty appears unjustified. I respectfully ask that you reconsider this error.
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Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
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Any thoughts on the above draft?

Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
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I suggest these minor amendments. I have brought into the reps the language used in their prior rejection.


The alleged contravention is cited as: "Parked in a car park without clearly displaying a valid pay and display ticket or voucher or parking clock". However, as your initial rejection makes clear, I was parked in your 'Park and Pay by phone facility'and paid for my parking using the Pay by Phone service. which does not require a physical ticket to be displayed. Given that there was no requirement to display a ticket, the correct contravention code should have been: "Parked without payment of the parking charge." As I complied with the parking terms by paying via phone, this penalty appears unjustified. I respectfully ask that you reconsider this error.

Thanks for the feedback.

Will make the necessary tweaks.

I would go with both - draft something and we'll tweak it.

If there is anything else you can think of mate, I'm looking to get the appeal submitted tomorrow.

 :)

Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
« Reply #18 on: »
It's rather long-winded and would be better if you consolidated the first-time cancellation stuff and shortened it.
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Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
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So I received the following NOTICE OF REJECTION OF REPRESENTATIONS in the email last week:

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I think it's worth trying one more time but I'm not sure what I can add that I haven't said already. Looking at previous case to the tribunal that was similar to mine it was rejected.


Welcome your thoughts.

Looking to get something back this week as I don't want a CCJ.

Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
« Reply #20 on: »
There is absolutely NO POSSIBILITY of a CCJ in the enforcement process, so put this out of your mind now.
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Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
« Reply #21 on: »
No discount now so no brainer to lodge a tribunal appeal. Frankly they just bullying you on this one. 
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Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
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Any suggestions of what I could add to the tribunal? Or re-emphasise the points made previously?

Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
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Draft something that draws the adjudicator's attention to the two points, noting Birmingham's apparent disregard of policy, and also the point about the contravention being wrong (should be not paying).

Where did you see this:

"In cases of first-time contraventions where a mistake has been made, including incorrect Vehicle Registration Mark (VRM) or method of payment errors, we may cancel the PCN."
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Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
« Reply #24 on: »
Cancelling under their policy is discretionary, but still must form part of their consideration.

Citing the correct grounds is obligatory.

The time for a soft approach has gone IMO.

IMO, your focus should be 'penalty exceeded....circumstances of the case' and 'procedural impropriety'.

Penalty exceeded.....
The advertised terms and conditions of use of the car park do not require the display of a ticket and therefore it should be presumed that no such requirement exists in a traffic order. I therefore submit that the use of grounds which are predicated on a non-existent restriction must therefore render the penalty unenforceable.

Procedural impropriety
a. As regards my formal representations.

My representations were distinct and to the effect that:

i. the grounds were incorrect and;

ii.they should exercise their discretion because payment of the correct tariff was made.

The authority's response to these representations in the NOR is given below:

'With regard to the mitigating circumstances described, I would advise you that it remains the motorist's responsibility to ensure a valid purchase is made against the correct vehicle registration.'

I respectfully submit that they have not addressed either of my substantive points but instead repeated what was already common ground i.e. that I had made payment of the correct tariff but mistakenly input the wrong registration, in this case our family's other car.

I therefore ask the adjudicator to allow my appeal under this heading because there has been a failure on the authority's part to consider my substantive representation grounds.

ii. As regards the Notice of Rejection of Representations
The regulations require that a NoR must:

(iii)describe the form and manner in which an appeal to an adjudicator must be made.

This is explained in Para.2 of Part 2 of Schedule 1 to the regulations as follows:

(4) If the notice of appeal is delivered to the proper officer after the end of the period specified in regulation 7(2)(a), 10(2)(a) or 13(2)(a) (as the case may be) (“the appeal period”)—

(a)the appellant must include in the notice a statement of the reasons which are relied upon for justifying the delay, and

(b)the adjudicator must treat any such statement of reasons for delay as a request to extend that period.


I submit that it is as important to state clearly that the adjudicator has discretion to extend the period for making an appeal after the 28-day period has elapsed as the 28-day period itself.

Part 4 of The NOR refers to 'How to appeal your decision'. The only reference to the time period for making an appeal is given in parenthesis at the bottom of the page as follows:

'(You should appeal before the end of the 28 days beginning with the delivery of this notice of rejection....')

This makes no reference to the owner being able to submit an appeal 'late' and therefore I submit that this constitutes a procedural impropriety and further grounds for my appeal being allowed.



 
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Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
« Reply #25 on: »
So I've draft the following based on the above.

Thanks H C Andersen and Stamfordman.

Anything missing that I need to include?

I am writing to formally challenge the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued to me by Birmingham City Council, on the grounds of both "Penalty exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case" and "Procedural impropriety."

1. Penalty Exceeded the Amount Applicable in the Circumstances of the Case
The terms and conditions of the car park in question do not require the display of a ticket. Therefore, it should be presumed that the traffic order governing this car park contains no such requirement. The penalty charge issued to me was based on the erroneous premise that I had failed to display a ticket, when no such requirement exists within the car park's advertised terms. As such, the contravention cited by Birmingham City Council is predicated on a non-existent restriction. I respectfully submit that this makes the penalty unenforceable under these circumstances.

2. Procedural Impropriety
a) In my formal representations to Birmingham City Council, I clearly stated the following points:

The contravention cited was incorrect, as the terms did not require ticket display.
I had paid the correct tariff, albeit against the registration number of my own vehicle, and therefore requested that the authority exercise discretion.
The council's Notice of Rejection (NOR) failed to address these substantive points. Instead, it simply reiterated the general responsibility of the motorist to ensure a valid purchase is made for the correct vehicle registration. This response disregards my specific representations, showing a failure on the council's part to properly consider my grounds for appeal, thereby constituting procedural impropriety.

b) Additionally, the NOR does not provide a complete explanation of my right to appeal. The regulations require that the Notice of Rejection describe how an appeal to the adjudicator should be made, including informing the recipient of their ability to submit a late appeal beyond the standard 28-day period. However, the NOR issued by Birmingham City Council only mentions the 28-day deadline for filing an appeal, with no mention of the possibility to request an extension in the event of a late submission. This omission is a failure to comply with statutory requirements and further constitutes procedural impropriety.

In light of these issues, I respectfully request that you the independent adjudicator allow my appeal and cancel the penalty charge.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
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I would still cite their direction to consult their policy which says to me that a first time such mistake is forgivable.

And I asked you where you saw this as it's not in the policy doc I got:

"In cases of first-time contraventions where a mistake has been made, including incorrect Vehicle Registration Mark (VRM) or method of payment errors, we may cancel the PCN."

Also they seem to have taken down the policy doc they refer to in their rejection! This can also be mentioned and it's still online here:

http://bit.ly/2Wl1Spj
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Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
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I would still cite their direction to consult their policy which says to me that a first time such mistake is forgivable.

And I asked you where you saw this as it's not in the policy doc I got:

"In cases of first-time contraventions where a mistake has been made, including incorrect Vehicle Registration Mark (VRM) or method of payment errors, we may cancel the PCN."

Also they seem to have taken down the policy doc they refer to in their rejection! This can also be mentioned and it's still online here:

http://bit.ly/2Wl1Spj

Thanks will add those points in.

With regards to your question - I think i inferred it from this previous post (below) from yourself. Have I misunderstood and therefore remove anything relating to that?


They have referred you to their discretion policy, which while not well written or spelling this out in the 'may accept' column tells me that they would consider cancelling for a first time mistake with the car VRM as the 'may reject' column clearly says that such mistakes can give rise to cancellation where a PCN has been issued in 'similar circumstances' which include wrong VRM.

I would go back to them now pointing out that their 'unable to cancel' does not square with their policy on individual merits listed by them. Cancelling for a first time mistake with location/VRM is a common reason to cancel a PCN among councils as payment has been made.

Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
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OK - so those are your words - I was hoping you'd picked up that exact sentence from their website somewhere.

Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
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OK - so those are your words - I was hoping you'd picked up that exact sentence from their website somewhere.

Yeah. I looked back and couldn't see it called out in the policy.