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Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« on: November 15, 2023, 04:36:14 pm »
I made a left turn from Highgate road due to a very long tailback. The end of bus lane sign is situated on the lane after the turning I made. I had no idea I couldn't turn there since it is a road which leads to one parallel to the one I came off of.

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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2023, 01:02:56 pm »
Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AQYfaSH8bY

Please post up the remaining pages of the PCN please.

The first issues that come to mind are vague locus and camera authorisation.

Please give us a link to the exact location on google street view.
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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2023, 02:12:20 pm »
The contravention has already been dealt with.

By whom?  ::)

Complete and utter cryptic nonsense.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2023, 07:49:21 pm »
Hello
Re PCN
There are only 2 pages the front and back are uploaded.

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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2023, 07:57:31 pm »
The sign at the junction is twisted.  Cp's point re locus is how many other bus lanes are there on this stretch of road?  I think!
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2023, 10:12:49 pm »
Hello
Re PCN
There are only 2 pages the front and back are uploaded.
We need the exact location on google street view in order to investigate the camera issue. Assuming you actually know where this is?

If you don't know / can't work it out, please say so.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2023, 11:21:11 am »
https://maps.app.goo.gl/h1wUc7DJPS63H6oW8

Location I turned into from highgate road.

Thank you

« Last Edit: November 25, 2023, 01:53:18 pm by cp8759 »

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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2023, 08:16:37 pm »
You are now past the 14 days so may as well wait for the Enforcement Notice.  Please do not write to the council now.  We will suggest valid representations when you receive it.  I am happy to take this one on should it go the full distance.  In my view, the PCN is potentially flawed for various reasons.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2023, 08:27:54 pm by Hippocrates »
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
"Hippocrates"

ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε

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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2023, 08:50:37 am »
Oh no for some reason I had 28 days in my mind. Thank you for the offer of help I hope whoever deals with the appeal it is in a good mood.

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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2023, 11:37:04 pm »
This is the applicable regulatory sign: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dZAhdPNznEH2j2xH7

I'll let Hippocrates sort this one out, I'm sure he'll have fun with Camden. Although I have to say, they probably won't turn up!
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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2023, 10:07:20 am »
Just had a look at the video again.  What a collage of road legends!  This is a mean PCN. FOIR sent and I will report back. PM sent re redacting personal details.

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« Last Edit: November 23, 2023, 10:19:44 am by Hippocrates »
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
"Hippocrates"

ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε

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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2023, 09:01:36 am »
Thank you Hippocrates, I really appreciate your help, however cam you instruct me on deleting
the post with my details visible, I have been trying for 40 minutes and can't see a delete button under the message. :-[

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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2023, 01:53:48 pm »
Thank you Hippocrates, I really appreciate your help, however cam you instruct me on deleting
the post with my details visible, I have been trying for 40 minutes and can't see a delete button under the message. :-[
I have redacted your address from the post above.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2023, 08:47:04 pm »
Thank you Hippocrates, I really appreciate your help, however cam you instruct me on deleting
the post with my details visible, I have been trying for 40 minutes and can't see a delete button under the message. :-[

Just seen this.  No idea;   but, I see cp has done it.  Thanks.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
"Hippocrates"

ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε

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Re: Being in a bus lane Highgate Road Camden
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2023, 09:57:47 am »
Thank you.

I was on the same stretch of road yesterday and whilst waiting for the traffic to move saw two cars do exactly the same thing I did.