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So it appears that the Traffic Penalty Tribunal believe that having a 6 months time limit in legislation for the service of the NtO is not relevant and that I had to demonstrate "prejudice" in order for it to be a factor. It doesn't say this in legislation but apparently that is irrelevant too.

I'm flabbergasted actually - I assume this means that councils can basically ignore every other time limit written in legislation? Such as the 56 days to respond to representations?

Well, I wish I'd just paid £25 now at the time if I knew this process was so skewed - I wouldn't have wasted countless hours of my life and an additional £25 if I knew that I'd actually come of the other end of it feeling even more unjustly treated.

Thanks everyone on here who gave advice, but just a warning to anyone reading this and considering an appeal based on time limits - it appears that councils can do whatever they like and the tribunal won't overturn it.

You can ask for a review - one of the grounds is:

The interests of justice require the review.

https://www.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/after-the-adjudicators-decision/

I think the car park name issue also went beyond mitigation but the 6 month is surely a binary decision based on the legislation.

Worryingly, the case ruling in Scotland that the adjudicator refers to appears to suggest that authorities can make procedural irregularities without it affecting the validity of the PCN.

That ruling is based on a driver who appealed on the basis that their PCN was sent by normal mail rather than recorded delivery, but it seems the court may have made a much bigger general ruling which effectively states that the authority’s failure to comply with legislation doesn’t matter as long as they’ve mostly done it right.

Scottish parking legislation is the original 1991 Act, whereas England (& Wales) is the Traffic Mananagement Act 2004 which introduced the statutory grounds of "procedural impropriety" . By serving a rejection to formal representations against a Notice to Owner outside the 56 day statutory limit, the council have committed a procedural impropriety, so it would seem the adjudicator has erred in law, so a request for a review is essential.

God knows where TPT are getting their adudicators from !  Maybe they employ only those with 3rd class degrees in law to cut the cost. A 3rd class degree basically means, "if we had done our duty we would have failed you".

@Incandescent

The issue was that the council served the NtO outside the statutory time limit of 6 months, rather than rejecting representations outside of the 56 day limit.

However, I think that I will put together a request for a review because this potentially opens up a whole can of worms about time limits when it comes to PCNs.


Here is the request for review that I have put together. I'd appreciate feedback on this please.

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1. I am requesting a review of this case on the grounds of the "interests of justice require a review".

2. I believe that the case ruling which was used in the judgement by the adjudicator has been misinterpreted and incorrectly used in deciding my case. I therefore contend that the adjudicator has erred in law and their decision should be reviewed.

3. It should be noted that the ruling quoted (https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/media/uikbqxn4/2025csih2-appeal-to-the-court-of-session-by-glasgow-city-council-against-a-decision-of-the-upper-tribunal-for-scotland-dated-14-may-2024.pdf) has only very recently been made, was only binding in Scotland, and did not relate to parking in England which comes under separate legislation (The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Approved Devices, Charging Guidelines and General Provisions) (England) Regulations 2022). All references in the ruling are made with regards to traffic offences in Scotland - specifically the contraventions relating to contraventions of a LEZ.

4. The ruling in Scotland was about whether a PCN was valid if it was not sent by recorded or registered mail. The reason for the ruling was to establish whether this technicality proved that the PCN had not been delivered to the motorist within the statutory time limits set in legislation. The case looked to determine whether service of the PCN by a means other than by recorded delivery was a "bright-line" rule - one that is clearly defined and leaves little or no room for varying interpretation. It did not discuss statutory time limits as being a "technicality".

5. The reasoning behind the ruling in Scotland was that it was considered that Parliament had not intended that the PCN should be invalidated by the failure to comply with a technicality in the legislation (i.e. the method of service not being by registered mail). The ruling also discusses how the Council had 'largely' complied with the process, including “timeous” service. It also states that previous cases where the authority had made this same mistake previously could not be looked at again because the statutory time limits had been exceeded (see paragraph 3 of the ruling). This indicates that timeous service within the statutory time limits is key to the enforceability of a PCN.

6. However, I believe that misinterpretation of this ruling has been used to decide my case, as its meaning appears to have been arbitrarily extended by the adjudicator to also cover statutory time limits as well as other technicalities (such as the method of posting of the PCN). The requirements set out in the parking legislation have clearly defined "bright-line" rules for time of service of the NtO, which must be within 6 months of the service of the PCN: "(2) A notice to owner may not be served after the expiry of the period of 6 months beginning with the relevant date". This is not open to interpretation. Indeed they are backed up by the clear and unambiguous wording in the Statutory Guidance "The ultimate time limit, in exceptional circumstances, is 6 months from the ‘relevant date’.  There should be a very good reason for waiting that long to serve an NtO". The wording "ultimate time limit" is very clear as to its intentions here. If the ruling in Scotland is used to effectively overrule this clear and unambiguous legislation it risks attempting to completely circumvent the law, both in terms of time limits for service but also in terms of the statutory rights of appeal.

7. If this ruling is used by the tribunal to justify that the time limits in legislation are not binding on authorities, this risks undermining the entire purpose of having time limits set in legislation. It raises the question: at what point does the authority failing to comply with a legally mandated time limit become relevant? 1 day late? 2 days late? 1 week late? 1 month late? 1 year late? The legal time limits are clearly intended as "bright-line" requirements with no room for interpretation. I do not believe that the adjudicator has the authority to determine where failing to comply with legislation is acceptable and not acceptable where that involves ignoring a statutory time limit. If Parliament had not intended that time limits were absolute requirements for legal compliance, why would they be so clearly laid out in legislation? Ignoring the time limits set in legislation makes a clear and unambiguous legal requirement subject to inconsistency and unfairness.

8. The statutory guidance for parking enforcement clearly states that the expectation is that the authority serves an NtO within 56 days, and that 6 months for issuing a NtO is the “ultimate time limit”, and that the authority should have a “very good reason” for waiting this long to serve a NtO. The authority has not provided any reason whatsoever for exceeding the time limit for service of the NtO. The tribunal did not appear to consider this point in their decision.

9. If we look at the other time limits, such as the 56 days limit for a council to respond to representations, then what would happen if the council responded a day late. Or two? Or three? At what point does a time limit set out in legislation actually become relevant for the purposes of law? There are multiple time limits laid out in the regulations, on both the authority and the motorist. Are all of these to be considered as null and void? How can there be any possible fairness and consistency if time limits are considered flexible?

10. In my case, the time limit for service of a notice to owner are very clearly written in law. This is an absolute time limit for legal compliance and not a technicality such as sending the PCN by normal mail in the case ruling in Scotland. It is both written clearly in the Statutory Instrument and also backed up by the Statutory Guidance. There is no room for interpretation here, or flexibility for the authority to miss these deadlines without consequence. The use of the Scottish ruling to justify any and all non-compliance with legislation on the authority’s part is a dangerous precedent which harms motorists and effectively denies one of the statutory grounds of appeal (Procedural impropriety by the authority).

11. If time limits clearly written in legislation are unenforceable, as this tribunal decision suggests, then effectively all time limits stated in legislation are null and void, including those which apply to the motorist.

12. The prejudice against me in this case is that allowing the authority to miss legal deadlines denies me the right to be treated consistently and fairly according to legislation, and in a timeous manner, and effectively denies my right to appeal under one of the statutory grounds.

13. I would like to request a video hearing as part of this review.

Timeous (I had to look it up!) is Scots for timely. I wouldn't be putting the Adj to the task of looking it up :)
Use timely.
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Thanks @John U.K. I had assumed “timeous” was legal speak! Will change that.

Your text requesting a review looks good to me, and is the same as my thinking. I think the adjudicator at the TPT is so wrong that I do wonder why he/she is still working at the TPT, as his ruling is a complete disgrace and puts the TPT to shame.
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I have done further research into the case ruling that the TPT have quoted, and have come up with this as an addition to the request for review:

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The court in Scotland did not consider any aspects of legislation governing England when deciding their case. They were only considering Scottish legislation, in particular the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019, The Low Emission Zones (Emission Standards, Exemptions and Enforcement (Scotland) Regulations 2021 (SSI No 177) and the Interpretation and Legislative Reform (Scotland) Act 2010. To quote the judgement:

"The court is not able to identify any bright-line rule to that effect from a reading of the 2019 Act, the 2021 Regulations and the 2010 Act."

This clearly shows that this judgement has not been made based on the current legislation in England - both the Traffic Management Act 2004 and The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (England) Regulations 2022. Therefore the ruling in Scotland should not be assumed to be applicable to English legislation or used as a basis to overrule, ignore or change the statutory time limits set out in English legislation.

To suggest that the findings of the Scottish court should apply to any legislation that it has not considered in the judicial process is a dangerous assumption and risks treating motorists in England and Wales unfairly and incorrectly based on applicable legislation in their region.


TPT's decision is wrong IMO.

Apply for a review.


TPT's decision is wrong IMO.

Apply for a review.
Not just wrong, it's off the scale !

This is so wrong it's absurd. I'd add that if the review is not granted, you ask that the council be directed to accept payment at a 50% discount, since fairness requires that statutory deadlines should be ignored in your favour as well as in theirs.