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Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« on: May 30, 2024, 08:14:12 pm »
Received a PCN

38JL Failing to comply with a sign indicating that vehicular traffic must pass to the specified side of sign.

Contravention was noted by civil enforcement officer and video.

Contravention on: 21/05/24

Date of notice: 29/05/2024

Anything I can do?

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Re: Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2024, 08:19:48 pm »
This is a street view. Sorry I think itís absolutely pathetic. I drive an aygo. Didnít realise they wanted us to go the other way.

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Re: Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2024, 09:30:18 pm »
https://maps.app.goo.gl/k7iMB4zaNGwZNXp5A?g_st=ic

PCN no: IZ30615420
VRM: bv69zhd

Borough is London Borough of Islington
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Re: Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2024, 09:47:41 pm »
There are restrictions like this all over London to prevent large vehicles like HGVs from using the street, but also make shedloads of money from PCNs against small vehicles that are nervous of using the narrow lane on the left. Clearly you have never seen one before. A Toyota Aygo would easily pass the narrow lane I would have thought.
So any particular reason for not obeying the direction arrows ?

The video shows a London black cab passing through the narrow lane in the opposite direction just before your car approaches, so clearly there was enough room for your little car.

This may not be game over, because cases like yours can sometimes win on what is known as a "collateral challenge".  This could be camera approval or a fatal error in the PCN or their not following the legal process, so wait a bit to see what others say.


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Re: Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2024, 02:09:41 am »
There are restrictions like this all over London to prevent large vehicles like HGVs from using the street, but also make shedloads of money from PCNs against small vehicles that are nervous of using the narrow lane on the left. Clearly you have never seen one before. A Toyota Aygo would easily pass the narrow lane I would have thought.
So any particular reason for not obeying the direction arrows ?

The video shows a London black cab passing through the narrow lane in the opposite direction just before your car approaches, so clearly there was enough room for your little car.

This may not be game over, because cases like yours can sometimes win on what is known as a "collateral challenge".  This could be camera approval or a fatal error in the PCN or their not following the legal process, so wait a bit to see what others say.


Yes - never seen one before as I donít drive in central London often. Nevertheless, I was quite confused but did not think much of it. And it looked much smaller in real life  :(

Anyways interested to see if thereís anything I can do before I pay up

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Re: Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2024, 08:16:57 pm »
https://maps.app.goo.gl/k7iMB4zaNGwZNXp5A?g_st=ic

PCN no: IZ30615420
VRM: bv69zhd

Borough is London Borough of Islington
Those details don't work so I can't have a look at the video. If you've paid it (having given me less than 24 hour to respond to your PM) then it's too late and there's nothing more you can do.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule.

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Re: Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2024, 11:06:05 pm »
https://maps.app.goo.gl/k7iMB4zaNGwZNXp5A?g_st=ic

PCN no: IZ30615420
VRM: bv69zhd

Borough is London Borough of Islington
Those details don't work so I can't have a look at the video. If you've paid it (having given me less than 24 hour to respond to your PM) then it's too late and there's nothing more you can do.


Hey. I havenít paid it yet.

I can view it on this website

https://islington.tarantoportal.com

PCN number IZ30615420

BV69ZHD

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Re: Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2024, 01:02:57 pm »
Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efMK8qd7cws

The only argument I can see here is that the PCN does not specify whether you had to pass to the left or the right of the sign, the code specific suffixed "38 l) must pass to the left r) must pass to the right" do exist under the standard contravention codes for London.

Please show us all pages of the PCN in full, redact only your name and address and leave everything else visible, starting with the dates.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Re: Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2024, 03:07:26 pm »
https://ibb.co/WB9Py3G
https://ibb.co/DtBr4sW

Here is the front and back. Thank you so much.

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Re: Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2024, 01:58:15 pm »
Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efMK8qd7cws

The only argument I can see here is that the PCN does not specify whether you had to pass to the left or the right of the sign, the code specific suffixed "38 l) must pass to the left r) must pass to the right" do exist under the standard contravention codes for London.

Please show us all pages of the PCN in full, redact only your name and address and leave everything else visible, starting with the dates.


Hey, just posting as I think I may have to pay by end of today to avoid price going up. Wondering if there is any representation that I could say or if I am completely hopless? :-\

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Re: Barnsbury Street [zone e] - 38jl
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2024, 11:54:09 pm »
@Helpme101 I see you made a representation on 11 June, so please show us what you sent.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order