Author Topic: Penalty Charge Notice 50J - Prohibited Turn (Bexley Council/TFL) Upper Wickham Lane, Welling  (Read 686 times)

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Hi, as the registered keeper, I received a Penalty Charge Notice from Bexley Council (TFL) through the post today 24/10/2025. PCN XL9774108A. Notice attached.

The driver of the vehicle made a right turn from Upper Wickham Lane into Coton Street on 11/10/2025 at 15:11 in the afternoon.

A Mobile Camera Enforcement Vehicle parked on Coton Street took the photo and video evidence.

There is no signage on the road indicating that right turns are prohibited. There is a sign prohibiting U-turns. But the driver of the vehicle turned right. This is clearly shown on the photo and video evidence. See link.

Pictures from Google Maps clearly showing there is no signage for prohibited right turn. Only prohibited U-turn.

Please advise how this penalty charge can be appealed. Many thanks.

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Video Evidence

https://youtube.com/shorts/OajUVFyYAts?si=MkDuZqIgodDXKj8D
« Last Edit: October 24, 2025, 04:19:43 pm by nuvolablue »

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Frankly, I don't think you are on strong ground here, because the layout is clearly designed to prevent traffic from turning right into Coton Road: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/B87boiFpeJtsFUws6
The hatched area indicates that the area encompassed is not part of the carriageway for the conveyance of traffic, and one should only enter it when necessary; making this turn is not a necessary move. In addition, you have to U-turn then immediately turn left.  OK I may be wrong, so see what the others say, but I don't see a win here at adjudication, sorry to say it.
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That's helpful and I can see how it could be interpreted that way. My argument was that I was making a right turn (my vehicle is small enough to enable me to make that turn) without the need to make  U turn first. I live close by and I see small vehicles and mopeds making that turn often.

Notwithstanding that the layout of the road is designed not to make right turns, shouldn't this be made explicit by the display of a no right turn sign?

Be helpful to see if others share your view and I will happily concede and pay the fine at its discounted amount.

Thanks.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2025, 12:33:23 am by nuvolablue »

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Many thanks.

Notwithstanding that the layout of the road is designed not to make right turns, shouldn't this be made explicit by the display of a no right turn sign?

Why would there need to be a sign when there's literally a built-up central crossing island in the way? The island finishes in line with the kerb of Coton Rd, meaning you have to make a u-turn to be able to turn into the road no matter how small your car is.

Take it on the chin and pay the reduced rate.
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My advice to all readers is not to drive in a manner which the road planners don't intend and then you will get less unwanted PCns in the post.

I would play dumb with the council and write in saying that they have not stated a sufficiently alleged contravention on the PCN but left you to guess which one applies especially as their cctv is from a side road and doesn't show a sign.

Don't expect them to cancel, to win you will have to risk the full penalty value at the tribunal and if you do challenge the council they do not have to offer the discount again. I think an adjudicator will find you did a u-turn because you did the very thing which the sign is clearly intended to prevent.

Only the vague PCN may save you.

in tribunal case 2130412623 the adjudicator found the following but it isn't a precedent, another adjudicator may decide that the type of banned turn is obvious from the layout:

The Penalty Charge Notice ('PCN') in this case describes the alleged traffic contravention as Failing to comply with a sign indicating a prohibited turn. However, the PCN fails to particularise what turn is prohibited, left or right. Also, whilst the Penalty Charge Notice ('PCN') includes superimposed pictures, it is impossible to see in the copy filed any actual traffic sign(s) that the appellant is alleged to have failed to comply with and there is no copy of the sign(s) themselves superimposed on the PCN.

In the circumstances, I find that the PCN is invalid and unenforceable as it fails to comply with the requirements of section 4(8)(a)(i) of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003 ('LLA & TFL Act 2003'), which states that the PCN "must (a) state (i) the grounds on which the council...believe that the penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle".

In these circumstances, I must allow this appeal.


Don't quote this case to the council, just play dumb as above.
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.
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I would play dumb with the council and write in saying that they have not stated a sufficiently alleged contravention on the PCN but left you to guess which one applies especially as their cctv is from a side road and doesn't show a sign.

Don't expect them to cancel, to win you will have to risk the full penalty value at the tribunal and if you do challenge the council they do not have to offer the discount again. I think an adjudicator will find you did a u-turn because you did the very thing which the sign is clearly intended to prevent.

Only the vague PCN may save you.


Thanks. This is the most helpful response so far.
Good to know there is a small chance of getting this overturned,
But I don't have the balls to go to full tribunal.
So I will probably just pay the discounted rate.
Hope this discussion helps others.