3. BARNET - PCN - 50L PERFORMING A PROHIBITED TURN (NO LEFT TURN) - TILLING RD JUNCTION BRENTFIELD GARDENS (NW2)
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Re: BARNET - PCN - 50L PERFORMING A PROHIBITED TURN (NO LEFT TURN) - TILLING RD JUNCTION BRENTFIELD GARDENS (NW2)
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Quote from: H C Andersen on October 19, 2025, 02:09:45 pm
Noted, but the Order states what it states and has been extant for the best part of 20 years during which IMO it was open to Barnet and the GLA to amend. Absent such an amendment, IMO it would be improper for an adjudicator to put their own construction on to a provision which otherwise seems clear.
But both items 45 and 57 are clear once you look at the geography of the location.

Quote from: H C Andersen on October 19, 2025, 02:09:45 pm
What's the alternative? That Barnet and GLA have colluded to put their own spin on to an Order. FFS, where could this end and where might it leave the average driver who can read but is not party to these clandestine arrangements.
What clandestine arrangements? One could say that drivers should simply comply with the signage, which is not in itself an outrageous suggestion. The reality is that there are no clandestine arrangements, and neither Barnet nor TFL know what they're doing.

Quote from: H C Andersen on October 19, 2025, 02:09:45 pm
And to cap it, why have Barnet never adduced this reasoning themselves but simply slunk away when their position has been challenged?
Because they're thick?
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Re: BARNET - PCN - 50L PERFORMING A PROHIBITED TURN (NO LEFT TURN) - TILLING RD JUNCTION BRENTFIELD GARDENS (NW2)
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I'm still unclear what Barnet's position is.

Is it that Tilling Road is not a GLA Road or that it is and they have TfL's authority?

If they were confident of their position, then why leave matters as they are and constantly lose at adjudication by virtue of not adducing evidence even when asked explicitly by adjudicators.

More questions than answers, I'm afraid.
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Re: BARNET - PCN - 50L PERFORMING A PROHIBITED TURN (NO LEFT TURN) - TILLING RD JUNCTION BRENTFIELD GARDENS (NW2)
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Quote from: H C Andersen on October 19, 2025, 04:15:31 pm
Is it that Tilling Road is not a GLA Road or that it is and they have TfL's authority?
Barnet's position is that Tilling Road is only a GLA road up to the point where the red route clearway ends, and that because the junction is past that point the portion of Tilling Road where they enforce is not a GLA road.
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