Author Topic: Barnet - PCN Code 16 - No sign next to permit bay within CPZ, can you still park?  (Read 1401 times)

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Copies of Barnet Council rejection letters updated to include VRM and PCN. Please advise next steps. Thanks

Please post up the text of the formal reps you sent to Barnet, just redact your name & address. They don't seem to grasp that it's not a matter of adequate signage as there is no sign at all.

I included two photos in my [initial] reps showing clearly there is no sign for the bay I was parked in and also stating this clearly,

We need to see these please.

As you park there daily, taking photos is easy. Similarly for a video. Forget GSV, it's dated. Put yourself in the adjudicator's position who needs to be persuaded by more than mere statements and assertions, yours and the authority's.

A clear video which captures the bay and pans to the sign opposite is all the proof you need IMO. I think your case is so clear-cut that a costs award in your favour should be considered. If your formal reps were the same as the informal then the only possible defence against a costs award would be systemic incompetence, not the most solid defence for them.

Take and post the video and post the photos you used originally please.

Edit - just seen the following post. OP, enough of the editorial comments they are unnecessary. We can draft your appeal in a more succinct and targeted manner.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2024, 09:44:43 am by H C Andersen »

Copy of representation sent to Barnet:

Dear London Borough of Barnet,

As I have previously explained, there is no sign for the bay where I was parked and it follows that no contravention occurred. Your CEO has taken a photo of a sign in a different bay, but that sign might as well be anywhere. Each bay must have its own sign and signs placed elsewhere are irrelevant. I suggest that rather than carrying out a desktop review of this representation, you arrange for the signage to be physically investigated (i.e. someone needs to get out of the council office and go down to the location to have a look). If you do so you will find that the sign is indeed missing (see photo), and you need to arrange for the signage to be reinstated if you wish to enforce that bay. In the meantime you should cancel this PCN and suspend enforcement of that particular bay until the signage issue has been resolved. Furthermore, I hereby raise a formal complaint against the CEO, who has plainly taken a photo of a sign for a different bay. This is incompetent at best and dishonest at worst, so a the very least some retraining is in order. The CEO should simply report the missing sign and arrange for reinstatement, rather than take photos that paint a misleading picture of events. Of course you will appreciate that if you issue the usual templated fob-off rejection, I will pursue an order for costs against the council on the grounds that the notice of rejection is wholly unreasonable. I will pursue this course of action even if the council does not contest the appeal.

Yours faithfully, XXXXXX

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Photos included in the link above, as requested.

I included two photos in my [initial] reps showing clearly there is no sign for the bay I was parked in and also stating this clearly,

We need to see these please.

Take and post the video and post the photos you used originally please.

Edit - just seen the following post. OP, enough of the editorial comments they are unnecessary. We can draft your appeal in a more succinct and targeted manner.

The OP has already posted the photos!!

I agree a video would be better tho.
as for a more succinct approach... I quite like the idea of letting the Authority continue to fu@k it up so the OP has the best chance of costs.
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Mick, you are a very, very bad man

Video is very desirable IMO. Make life as easy as possible for the adjudicator.

Neither of the OP's photos attempts to replicate the council's as regards position. OP, you don't want the adjudicator to have to triangulate using lamp columns and dustbins.

Simple compare and contrast using the video..e.g. here's the bay from the position of CEO photo 1, and when one pans to the right through the bay it can be seen that there isn't a traffic sign as shown in their photo no. X, whereas if one pans left across the road the traffic sign can be seen.

It is unarguable that there wasn't a traffic sign of any type in the bay. At which point I would refer to the following statements in the NOR.........which are totally false and [assuming this is the case] because they form part of the council's evidence and case summary the adjudicator might consider that their inclusion is an attempt to mislead the Tribunal as well as being untrue......


I am happy to be your representative at the tribunal. Please email unredacted Notice of Rejection to me at mrmustard@zoho.com
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

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Thank you. In the above folder I have also posted a short video and Barnet's own map of their parking signs for the road.

can't view the folder
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Mick, you are a very, very bad man