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Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
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Quote from: Secret_Squirrel1970 on July 05, 2024, 08:56:33 pm
Have now, finally, many months later - received an OFR in relation to this, it has now been 'logged' at Northampton and the amount gone up to £205 from the £195.
@Secret_Squirrel1970 you must now follow the instructions in this guide to get the matter re-set.

Is there a copy of the original PCN with the Order for Recovery?

I note you don't want to challenge the whole thing, but if we can find good grounds for doing so then you might as well.
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Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
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Quote from: cp8759 on July 06, 2024, 06:31:42 pm
Quote from: Secret_Squirrel1970 on July 05, 2024, 08:56:33 pm
Have now, finally, many months later - received an OFR in relation to this, it has now been 'logged' at Northampton and the amount gone up to £205 from the £195.
@Secret_Squirrel1970 you must now follow the instructions in this guide to get the matter re-set.

Is there a copy of the original PCN with the Order for Recovery?

I note you don't want to challenge the whole thing, but if we can find good grounds for doing so then you might as well.

Not with the OFR, no....

I did not ever receive an original PCN....  (sad to say, post here is absolutely woeful).

First I knew of it some months later was the charge certificate/letter which was now £195 - iirc.  This was around when I started nosing around asking on here as I knew there was a way of getting it reset

I then received a follow up letter a short time later.

The general reply/collective wisdom in line with what I was asking was that once I had received the OFR - now here - it was relatively simple to get it reset via the traffic court to the original fine on the PCN which I never received.

I will have both the charge cert/letters I received.  Just couldn't place my hands right on them at the moment.
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Have had time to dig through my piles of 'inbox'....

I never received any initial notice in the mail - not down to change of address, or V5 not updated - just simply abysmal postal service.

1. 10th Jan dated - (received 18th) first I knew of this was Charge Certificate when it had been raised to £195. (attached)

This is when I opened this thread on this forum. 
General thrust of advice was to await for OFR and then file regarding never received the original notification.

2. 1st Feb - further letter from B&D Council prompting payment or warning of further action.

Still not OFR/not registered at traffic court so waiting game continues.

3. Week ago finally receive the OFR with forms PE2 and PE3

I do not live anywhere near the area, am not local and taking umpteen pics of inadequate signage and getting caught up in fighting this - frankly I don't have the time.  I have recently spent enough 'free' time doing paperwork and admin to fight a PPC with their ANPR double-dip bullsh!t... [I won, but cant be arsed with all that again].

I am happy enough here, in this instance, to get it reduced to the original amount as am damned if I should get penalised for what is now an appalling postal service.

Is is the PE3 I fill in, any specific wording? Or is there some other arcane form I need to download too?


ATTACHMENTS - both the original Charge Cert and follow letter not allowed to attach as upload folder is full.
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ATTACHMENTS - both the original Charge Cert and follow letter not allowed to attach as upload folder is full.


Back to basics :)
Have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and upload to imgur or ibb.co and paste the BBCodes here.

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Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
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Quote from: Secret_Squirrel1970 on July 12, 2024, 07:26:49 am
Is is the PE3 I fill in, any specific wording? Or is there some other arcane form I need to download too?
Nothing at all. You only need to tick the appropriate box.

You will need to get the form sworn/witnessed, free at your local county court (by appointment)
or circa £8 at a solicitor.

Don't take too long, TEC have processing delays at the moment.
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Quote from: Neil B on July 12, 2024, 12:49:05 pm
Quote from: Secret_Squirrel1970 on July 12, 2024, 07:26:49 am
Is is the PE3 I fill in, any specific wording? Or is there some other arcane form I need to download too?
Nothing at all. You only need to tick the appropriate box.

You will need to get the form sworn/witnessed, free at your local county court (by appointment)
or circa £8 at a solicitor.

Don't take too long, TEC have processing delays at the moment.

Does it need to be my local court as going by my address... ?
I am working away next week and can get to the court there, but wont be able to have it done at my local court.

Failing that suppose a solicitors will do then.
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I am working away next week and can get to the court there

Yes: note that you need an appointment.
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Cheers all.....


I will attempt to speak to Magistrates Court near where I will be working and see if I can make appt to get this done...  failing that, worst case, I will use solicitors in the town there.

There are three tick boxes...  obviously my one is the first I DID NOT RECIEVE THE ENFORCEMENT NOTICE.

Then there is a box for handwritten input..

"My Reasons Are (give full reasons)"  -

is there any need to put anything in there. It seems self-explanatory, or are they really wanting a paragraph on the current sh1t state of the UK postal service and how if govt bodies want to be adding £140 onto penalty charges then they should be paying for Special Delivery   ;D
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Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
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Quote from: Secret_Squirrel1970 on July 14, 2024, 10:01:55 pm
is there any need to put anything in there.
No.
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Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
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Quote from: Secret_Squirrel1970 on July 14, 2024, 10:01:55 pm
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I will attempt to speak to Magistrates Court near where I will be working and see if I can make appt to get this done...  failing that, worst case, I will use solicitors in the town there.
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Not a Magistrate's Court. You need any convenient County Court, where an (appointed) Court Officer can witness FOC. A Magistrate will charge and you might have trouble getting an appointment.
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Getting to a court with my work timings was proving problematic.

I did however manage to get it signed, witnessed and stamped at a solicitors.

PE3 then scanned and sent to TEC/Northampton via the email address supplied with the form.

I will also likely send the hard copy on via postal service.
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