Author Topic: Barnet, Code 34j being in a bus lane, A5 the hyde, Edgware, j/w Hyde Estate Road  (Read 2595 times)

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I was surprised to receive this PCN for driving in a Bus Lane.

On looking at the evidence, I pulled out, into the end of the bus lane, about 3 seconds early, mostly as there was standstill traffic in my lane.

There is no clear marking of where the bus lane ends.

Do I have a case here?

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Dear Sir or Madam,
I am writing to make formal representations against the above PCN for the alleged bus lane contravention (Code 34J).

After reviewing the council’s video evidence, it is clear that my vehicle entered the bus lane only momentarily —  immediately before the end of the restriction. This was not an attempt to gain advantage or bypass traffic, but part of positioning safely. The incursion was minimal, brief, and occurred right at the termination point of the bus lane.

Importantly, the end of the bus lane was not clearly marked or sufficiently conspicuous at this location. There was inadequate visual distinction indicating where the restriction ceased, particularly for a driver focusing on surrounding traffic and preparing to turn. Without clear and prominent termination markings and signage, a driver cannot reasonably be expected to judge the exact point the restriction ends in real time. This makes enforcement at that precise location unfair.

Given:
The extremely short duration of travel in the lane
The fact this occurred immediately at the end of the restriction
No advantage was gained and no bus was impeded
The lack of clear termination markings

this falls squarely within the principle of a trivial or de minimis incursion. Enforcement in these circumstances is disproportionate.

I respectfully request that the council exercise its discretion and cancel this PCN.


I look forward to your confirmation that this PCN has been cancelled.
Yours faithfully,

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Dear Barnet

The video does not show the vehicle allegedly passing any upright signs pertaining to the bus lane. The alleged infraction is de minimis.

Please cancel therefore.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2026, 09:13:01 pm by Hippocrates »
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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