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Hi all.

I feel a bit robbed, so just want to check if there is any right of appeal against this...

I parked up on a Red Route which, if the pic i've attached here shows you, allows up to 30mins parking from 10am-4pm, so that I could enter and purchase from a shop right next to it. I arrived at approx 3:55pm (definately before 4pm), but the visit took a few mins longer than i expected, and im shown in a longer distanced TFL camera pic in their PCN letter to me, returning to the vehicle and starting the engine to leave at 4:06pm. no PCN was placed on the windscreen.

Do i have any reasonable grounds to appeal, considering i did arrive before 4pm, and was a customer of the shop behind it, and it being a relatively short period of time parked there?
I dont feel like ive taken the **** out of anyone, so it seems cruel to hammer me with a £80 (£160 If I dont pay soon). Is there a Grace period of 10mins, for example?

Hope to hear from somebody.

Thanks!

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As Incandescent says, post up the PCN, redact your name and address only.

Also phone TFL and ask for the video, they will send you a DVD in the post and put the penalty on hold while you wait.

Hi CP8759!  Thanks for your response.

The PCN is GX10277652.

Will they charge me for posting me a DVD? id rather not give them even more money than the fine charge, if i end up having to pay it, if possible.

Also what am I waiting for exactly? is it the judical review court case of TFL long distance camera footage being used to determine drivers parking conduct? is that likely to be completelty within the next couple of weeks then, because im assuming even with the DVD being sent, i wont have till the end of this year to decide whether or not to pay the lower amount of the fine.

Please advise, thanks!

The PCN is GX10277652.

We need the number plate as well, and really it would be easier if you could just post the actual PCN on here.

Will they charge me for posting me a DVD? id rather not give them even more money than the fine charge, if i end up having to pay it, if possible.

No, it's free.

Also what am I waiting for exactly? is it the judical review court case of TFL long distance camera footage being used to determine drivers parking conduct? is that likely to be completelty within the next couple of weeks then, because im assuming even with the DVD being sent, i wont have till the end of this year to decide whether or not to pay the lower amount of the fine.

Don't worry about the lower amount for now, even if you challenge the PCN, TFL usually offers the discount anyway as long as your challenge is during the initial discount period. Requesting the DVD puts the case on hold anyway for a couple of weeks.

The judicial review is due to be heard on the 26 October, so we expect judgment in early November. That being said, there's another strategy that can be used.

Im reluctant to show the original hard copy of the PCN, cautiously just incase anyone from TFL review team research and see these posts. However, as i can see it might help you, on top fo the PCN number listed previously, my car reg is LV05 VJV.

Even if TFL found this post, there is nothing on here that could help them. We beat authorities by using the law, we do not rely on tricks or hiding things from them.

In any case that number plate doesn't exist according to https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/?locale=en, which probably explains why the PCN won't come up on https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/challenge-a-pcn, which means that I can't make enquiries about the CCTV camera because I can't see any information about this ticket at all.

Can you give us a link to the exact location on google street view please?

Also have a read of this: https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/keycases/Red%20Route%20Panel%20Decision.pdf

Thanks for the tribunal documents. I had a quick skim through, specifically towards the end verdicts of each individual case. It appears that the majority of the PCNs that were ordered to be cancelled by the courts were based on "the PCN was served not by a CEO but by post on the basis of a
record produced by an approved device. For the reasons given at length above, we
hold that this was a procedural impropriety".
 
Could you explain in simple terms for me, what this means please?

in terms of my location: The PCN describes it as being 25-31 LEE HIGH ROAD, london, SE13.  But im 10% sure i was parked in front of 31 only.  However just 10 metres away - in front of 25-27, is a different red route sign (for disabled and loading only), than what was placed next to my vehicle.  Google maps appear to show these.

Wow its in the high court only 2 days later!?!  Shows the priority TFL gets over things like human rights abuses, etc!