Author Topic: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]  (Read 1237 times)

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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
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I'm unclear. Do you accept that you cannot insinuate yourself into these proceedings or not?

I do but they will never know as there are no face to face meetings. Even if there were, my son lives at home so I'd just take him along.

TX.

Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #31 on: »
I'm out.

Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #32 on: »
Ok apologies to H C Andersen, I do understand what he is saying albeit I did not realize that at the time. As it turns out the LA did use the fact that I replied instead of my son to reject the appeal however the paperwork did not turn up (they allege it was emailed).

So today the LA sent some new paperwork giving me / us 14d to pay the original £55 or if not paid then the original paperwork will kick back in with no ability to contest it other than the TE9 paperwork that someone suggested above, see below:

https://ibb.co/xLqzjd7

All advice appreciated.

TX.

Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #33 on: »
Thank you.

IMO, your son cannot submit a TE9 - Witness Statement - unless one of the limited grounds applies. These have been set out in their reply.

The only one which could apply is 'Did not receive the NTO', but of course this depends upon whether the NTO was received. The NTO was issued on 30 July, which ties in with their response to the informal challenge dated 8 July. Their letter also refers to '3rd party representations' being made on 30 Aug, which (sort of) ties in with with the NTO (albeit the reps were made late) but these were not disregarded for lateness, but were for invalidity because they were not made by the addressee on the NTO.

If the above is correct, then the NTO was received and a TE9 may not lawfully be made because your son would be making a false declaration and therefore subject to prosecution - this isn't being written to frighten or intimidate, it's the law and I see no reason to sugar-coat this reality.

So, no TE9 = min. charge of £165 unless their offer of paying £55 is accepted.

Others will have views.

Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #34 on: »
@cp8759

Hi there. Have I run out of options so just need to pay the £55? Last day to pay that is Monday next week.

Just for the benefit of H C Andersen the NTO was never received, not by email and not by post.

TX.

Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #35 on: »
@terminator x I would say do not pay. I have complained to the council about their website and received dubious responses from the parking manager. Notwithstanding they have now changed the web pages. I say continue. If I represent you, I will use them. And they know that full well.

But, you must use the statutory process.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2024, 09:08:53 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #36 on: »
I've explaned the law. If your son wishes to sign a declaration which includes a statement of truth then this is his choice.

 

Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
« Reply #37 on: »
Ok apologies to H C Andersen, I do understand what he is saying albeit I did not realize that at the time. As it turns out the LA did use the fact that I replied instead of my son to reject the appeal however the paperwork did not turn up (they allege it was emailed).

I think you'd better pay the £55 if you still can. Despite the Notice to Owner saying in bold lettering "Do not pass to the driver", you ignored that and challenged it as the driver. Unfortunately not reading the notice is not a defence and in the circumstances, it's too late for the keeper to make representations.

For clarify the authority did not reject your representations, it disregarded them because you have no right to make representations against a Notice to Owner that is not addressed to you. All you needed to do to avoid this situation was to provide a letter of authority with the representations signed by your son, if you'd asked us at the time we would have told you to do this. Unfortunately it seems you just made the representations in your own name without checking with us, and I don't see how you can record from that.

In the circumstances paying the £55 now is likely to be the least painful option.
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Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12] [30 May 24]
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Ok, thanks all.

TX.