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Hi guys,


This is the GSV - https://maps.app.goo.gl/iXJsPHWPFtvox6tV8

Is there any errors in the PCN before I pay this PCN?

Thanks
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Need to see the back of the PCN before we can say the PCN is OK or not.

I'm surprised you didn't get any response, but just putting up a load of photos without any narrative is never a good idea. The sign is clear enough, in my view, so did you just chance your arm and hope there wasn't a camera ?
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Quote from: Incandescent on March 16, 2024, 09:41:24 am
Need to see the back of the PCN before we can say the PCN is OK or not.

I'm surprised you didn't get any response, but just putting up a load of photos without any narrative is never a good idea. The sign is clear enough, in my view, so did you just chance your arm and hope there wasn't a camera ?

To be fair I wish I knew myself..

Here is the back of the PCN alongside the representation page that came with it

https://ibb.co/9HQ9GhW
https://ibb.co/W0kbNNt
https://ibb.co/RjVS3b5
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To be honest, I can't see anything wrong with the PCN, and the sign is clear albeit on the off-side of the direction of travel, but seems clear enough, although being on the off-side, it could be obscured by high-sided vehicles, but the photos show no traffic like this.

Discount looks the best option IMHO.  You could have a punt at London Tribunals on the description of the statutory grounds of "driven without your consent" that implies it's restricted to the car being stolen, because there's no restriction like this in the regulations, but the full PCN penalty would be in play.
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Quote from: Incandescent on March 16, 2024, 12:57:38 pm
To be honest, I can't see anything wrong with the PCN, and the sign is clear albeit on the off-side of the direction of travel, but seems clear enough, although being on the off-side, it could be obscured by high-sided vehicles, but the photos show no traffic like this.

Discount looks the best option IMHO.  You could have a punt at London Tribunals on the description of the statutory grounds of "driven without your consent" that implies it's restricted to the car being stolen, because there's no restriction like this in the regulations, but the full PCN penalty would be in play.

Appreciated. I'll pay the PCN unless the tribunals stands a fair chance  ::)
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The TWOC ground is ok because they state e.g. or such as.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

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Quote from: Hippocrates on March 16, 2024, 02:59:40 pm
The TWOC ground is ok because they state e.g. or such as.

Which means, sorry?
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You can't use it.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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@privates you've missed the discount and the representations deadline and the council website says a charge certificate will be issued on 7 April, looks like you've fallen asleep at the wheel with this one?

Please go onto the council website right now and make a representation, just say "the contravention did not occur" and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page. It doesn't matter that they'll reject, the key here is to get a notice of rejection at £130 which you could then appeal, rather than a charge certificate at £195 which you can't appeal.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Quote from: cp8759 on March 31, 2024, 12:17:45 pm
@privates you've missed the discount and the representations deadline and the council website says a charge certificate will be issued on 7 April, looks like you've fallen asleep at the wheel with this one?

Please go onto the council website right now and make a representation, just say "the contravention did not occur" and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page. It doesn't matter that they'll reject, the key here is to get a notice of rejection at £130 which you could then appeal, rather than a charge certificate at £195 which you can't appeal.

Here is the reply received to the above..

https://ibb.co/5xpjfwr
https://ibb.co/Vj6Nmct
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Quote from: privates on May 09, 2024, 10:59:35 am
Quote from: cp8759 on March 31, 2024, 12:17:45 pm
@privates you've missed the discount and the representations deadline and the council website says a charge certificate will be issued on 7 April, looks like you've fallen asleep at the wheel with this one?

Please go onto the council website right now and make a representation, just say "the contravention did not occur" and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page. It doesn't matter that they'll reject, the key here is to get a notice of rejection at £130 which you could then appeal, rather than a charge certificate at £195 which you can't appeal.

Here is the reply received to the above

https://ibb.co/5xpjfwr
https://ibb.co/Vj6Nmct
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Tomorrow is the last day for discount, you best take it
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Two points here:

1) Location, they say it's Cavendish Road but it appears to be the South Circular Road.
2) They might not have TFL's consent to enforce at this location.

As the discount is gone, there's nothing to be lost in giving it a go.

@privates I'll drop you a PM.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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